Talk:Dengism

China is the modern day equivalent of nazi germany and authoritarian bootlickers who defend such a horrid government should be ashamed of themselves.

No, a better analogy is Chinese Blueshirtism. Nazis were environmentalists while Dengists and Blueshirtists don't care for ecology. - ok you make an actual fair point

"muh china is the modern day equibalent of nazi germany!!!!!!111!!!" Tell me you're retarded without telling me that you're retarded - why yes, I did make that comparison, how could you tell

I agree with the statement above, and I say this as one who has some criticism of China myself, sure it has some notable flaws such as still being too capitalist + being too centralized, but IT IS NOT CLOSE TO NAZI GERMANY, since when did the CCP believe in palingenetic ultranationalism? and besides, as much as there is unnecessary persecution in Xinjiang, there isn't a fucking holocaust going on right there, and the many sources that claim there is are very doubtful not to mention there isn't really a significant decrease in the Uyghur population there + almost all media ever since the fall of the fairness doctrine is biased and doubtful

and HOOOO boy, I wonder how much seethe and tension can I generate with this take -

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^ Defending genocide to own the westoid libs be like "there isn't a fucking holocaust going on right there, and the many sources that claim there is are very doubtful not to mention there isn't really a significant decrease in the Uyghur population there + almost all media ever since the fall of the fairness doctrine is biased and doubtful". Literally ignore all the verifiable proof and news coverage that this is comparable to the holocaust, how smooth does your brain have to be. "oH BuT It'S WeStErN PrOpAGanDa". Actual smooth brain moment.

also, dengist speer

“Too Capitalist, if China embraces Social Corporatism, it would become unstoppable. Also, the Uyghur Genocide is not real, if it were, there would be so much evidence on the internet that China would not be able to censor it all.” -BERNHE0504

China is soy and is committing cultural genocide-

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It apperas that both Maoists and dengists agree on heirtage elimination.

Darknight, I though we agreed with each other in supporting anti-imperialism and making it our main goal to true socialism and protect indigenous inhabitants from colonialism which destroys their ways of life, and then you act in ways which as I understand go against those very words to downplay second-world imperialism who are at best acting akin to the "saviors" in the past when they enforced the residential school system to "save the Indians from the savage".

What happened?. And sorry if it may be hard to understand the truth regarding China, but we really can't tell what is going on with the Uyghur population and how they are treated because of how the Chinese government suppresses all speech, so it really is unknown how badly they are treated by the Chinese state, what we can infer however is if they have something to hide where they intentionally hunt down people who talk about it, you know that whatever they are hiding must not be extremely important to keep secret to them as they fear such info getting out to the public. Same thing applies to how they abuse child labor especially on minority groups despite us knowing that even though exact specifics are left out, we do know it happens a lot and it is the basis of a lot of the modern products we get from China. My point is you downplaying this makes me really question your true goals regarding anti-imperialism akin to a lot of other tankies who only use the colonized masses of the world as a wedge for their own imperialist ideas.

What I find funny is

Old leftists are so hell bent over being against western imperialism and perceived "woke" ideology they will immediately side with an even worse alternative to the west that actively commits cultural and ethnic genocide (yes it is a genocide, china uses eugenics and other methods against uyghur muslims that are classified by definition to be genocidal). Not saying all old leftists are like this, but it's funny how you can claim to be against Imperialism and defend a state like China which is on all accounts worse, even funnier (and sadder) how they will preferable side with fascists over progressive leftists just to own the libs, what a joke old leftists are.

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- true

• This... Just pure FAXX

This ideology is polluting. Too different from eco-friendly nazism.

• you know its bad when comparing them to the nazi's is being too generous, atleast the nazis actually cared about animal welfare and the environment which you do make a good point

This is Chinese Blueshirtism 2.0. Dai Li is laughing in his grave while Mao rolls.

Dengism is unhumane and inequality, Humans should embrace Tridemism, not just federalise China. -

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Actually, has the PRC ever done those "genocide" things is controversial. I don't know is the Uyghur Genocide true or false, but I think you should also find information from non-western countries. Listen opinions from other countries is good. As a citizen living in the PRC, I think the Government of CPC is not that bad, I lived very happy :-). - 国际联盟球

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- You know what, you actually have a point. And while we're at it, considering how untruthful western media is, it also wouldn't surprise me if western media lied about the holocaust happening as well and it was just a hoax considering just how much they lie. Wouldn't surprise me if they lie about other genocides as well, as history is written by the victors after all. /s

• TheElectricBomb - Many questions:
  
  1) I don´t get it, if the west accuses China of killing innocents in Xinjiang, then why is everyone hiding that China is only trying to fight extremism? Also, don´t the Uyghurs still publicly film their songs in China?
  2) They still teach Tibetan in Tibet as a secondary language, and the population grew higher there than when Tibet was under the direct rule of the Dalai Lama. Why does no one mention the Dalai Lama had slaves and that the Tibetans welcomed the Chinese in?
  3) To prove that China isn´t wiping out cultures, the Zhuang people are allowed to practice their own traditions in public. Does anyone want to try to ¨debunk¨ these questions?

1) There are simps and separatists (the former films, the latter gets gulaged) 2) Tibet was not feudal, it was unitary. 3) Zhuang were spared for being less mutinous

• • ^ TheElectricBomb - Ok thx.

One small correction

Actually, 1984 is completely free to read in china, un altered https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wohoKgnWcBA

Fuck Deng

Free Tibet, Free East Turkmenistan, Free Inner Mongolia, Free Hong Kong (as much as it was originally a colony and to some extent still is westernized) and FUCK Winnie The Pooh! Neo-Colonialism is evil and wrong no matter if it is done by the first-world or the second-world. Anyone who defends it and its genocide on minorities is beyond my defense and is akin to western liberals downplaying native liberation and the colonialism and genocide committed against them both then and now. Both can suck a fat one and take another in you know where!

Not even mentioning the horrible [removed] like constant surveillance for the state, intentionally isolating themselves and hiding the true power they abuse such as how they treat minorities in camps, and also such as the amount of child labor with unforgivable wages and work hours which they use to make cheap products, anti-environmentalism, obsession over working their masses to death in offices and school to where their lives depend on how loyal they are to their masters, suicide nets, the social credit system, or lack of basic human rights and dignity, and even going as far as to ban hentai, pornography, twinks, cute idols and femboys and so much more.

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- yeah screw china, hands off my femboys. Another reason why liberal democracy shines over authoritarian states like China, I can jack off to twinks all i want in the privacy of my own home without the internet policy coming after me. Also, this ideology is not socialist, why is it in the socialist category. The only welfare china has is corporate welfare for its massive state owned businesses.

Ok this is pretty obligatory

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- I can't fucking take it. I see a story of a dictatorship going through economic reform and then I see it, I fucking see it. "Oh that’s kinda like Dengist Speer" it started as. That's funny, that's a cool reference. But I kept going, I'd see Yagoda that looked like Dengist Speer, I'd see Zhukov that looked like Dengist Speer, I'd see Bormann that looked like Dengist Speer. And every time I'd burst into an insane, breath deprived laugh staring at the image as the words DENGIST ran through my head. It's torment, psychological torture, I am being conditioned to laugh maniacly any time I see a dictatorship reform the economy. I can't fucking live like this... I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't! And don't get me fucking started on the words! I'll never hear the word Dengism again without thinking of Dengist Speer. Someone reforms the economy and I can't say anything other than "Dengist.” I could watch the entire fucking economy crash and all I would be able to say is "Dengism" and laugh like a fucking insane person. And the name "Deng" is ruined. The phrase "Dengism" is ruined. I can't live anymore. Dengist Speer has destroyed my fucking life. I want Himmler to end the world already. MAKE IT STOP!

Btw taiwan is a real country and NATO is based cope and seethe tankies

And also this is pretty accurate for this as well

• Not a tankie but both suck and fuck NATO. Although I obviously prefer Taiwan due to things like civil liberties and LGBT rights but still this is just circlejerky as fuck.

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- Well I prefer the west as for what I stated before because they are developed democratic countries and not authoritarian dictatorships. I know NATO as an alliance is not perfect, and in a perfect world NATO wouldn't need to be a thing. But to come off as this neutral "well aksually both sides are bad" is just objectively wrong.

• • • Being a "both-sideser" when it comes to hyper-imperialist and authoritarian right wing world organizations doesn't make you a "aksually" centrist, there is a difference between that and having basic standards. Defending one over the other imperialist world global power which kills innocent people for its own gain as the only option one should take in the end makes you the real centrist in actuality.

Genocide

Now, it's real.-

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After the files were floaded, the Ughyur Genocide it's real. That's mean CCP Government is making Autschwitz 2.0 and already become to Nazi 2.0.

Everyone who deny that as same as Holocaust deniers.

Bad

mmm this is basically "imperialism is only good when i do it" and don't get me started with how it is friendly to corporatocracies