Talk:Social Democracy

8values said I'm this.
--Magicpeartree (talk) 09:42, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Cool — ResponsibleCitizen (talk) 04:09, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

BASED

Matteel - Combining progressivist values with a welfare state is by far the most based thing ever on planet earth. Also don't feel like paying a million dollars for healthcare, if even taxes are raised the quality of services go up as well so the investment is well worth it.

Leninisbased556 social fascism can suck my ass welfare is a distraction to pacify the proletariat Dear, Leninisbased Welfare Chauvinism, is the social fascist you are looking for.

• Template:UserCouncilguy - is a marxist-leninist and calls people fascists? you are either extremely stupid or blissfully ignorant. Heck, I don't even fully disagree with your last statement.
  

UserWiki:RedDragon social democracy mixed economy rule of law fair trade regulation welfare state is much better compared to classical liberalism.But I prefer socialism.

not as based as I once thought

Sure it's still leaning based more than not and that I share similar tenants with it(especially in economics), but a major problem with it is that it's too soft, not to mention that the adherents of modern social democracy are the left-wing economic assrapers of capital, recklessly implementing milquetoast economic reforms that not only plunge the economy near to the ground, but also preserve the very status of the ultra-wealthy's grip over society + how many of those modern social democrats have cultural liberal social policies, which is awful

though I have to admit, third world and classical social democrats are still pretty based, in which those people, like Eugene V. Debbs and Mohammed Mossadegh, aren't cucks and that they were truly willing to serve the people, but the problem of the ideology itself and it's tenants being too soft still remains, sadly, social democracy has fallen from grace
Update: Social Democracy isn't even leaning based to my eyes anymore, reform is just rarely ever viable to achieve goals, so this is just neutral-cringish or even outright cringe - Template:UserDNY

• I second this. If they dropped the cultural liberalism and became tougher against the elites, I’d support it - Template:UserGeneralGanyu

• •  Pantheon - Whats so bad about "Cultural Liberalism"?

Template:UserMatteel - I swear to god you lot are the most stupid larpers I've ever seen every single time I see you guys say something it's the most retarded bullshit every single time i've seen you guys say something it makes me want to tear my eyeballs out with out dumb it is

• DuyQuangNguyenPham - Matt, if what they're saying is not true, then you should be able to make an argument against it instead of just insulting them right? Also, they're not larping (except for Chiro briefly.)
  • Template:UserMatteel - I'm sorry but these guys defend open nazis and fascists am i really supposed to respect them?
    • DuyQuangNguyenPham - There's a difference between defending someone personally and defending their political takes. Saying "Hey, don't be rude to him" is not the same as "Hey, stop criticizing his views." The first is attacking someone personally, and the second is attacking an idea. To illustrate this a bit further, hey Nuoh, do you think that a palingenetic ultranationalist and totalitarian state is desirable?
    • Template:UserDNY - Obviously, with such ideas pushing for both the nation and the state to pursue fanatical and even imperialistic desires is just outright awful, but would I be attacking those who believe in such? no, because one's character differs from one's ideals
  • Template:UserDNY - ofc I and Ganyu defend them, not ideologically, but personally, yes, fascism may be shit, but I'd rather view people by their character than their ideals, and ofc you don't respect them, it's because you're a disrespectful bitch who thinks people's innocence is based on how good you like them ideologically, and you in general, are a fucking shitass who disrespects almost anything remotely authoritarian, conservative, or nationalist, and before you say "but you two attack anyone remotely progressive, internationalist, or liberal" bitch, we don't, if we really did, then we would've displayed far more fowl behavior towards people like Bery, Yoda, Savvas, DragonRed, Tony, and Duy, but we didn't
    TL;DR - Don't ever call us personal shitasses when you're one yourself, COPE
    • Template:UserMatteel - "Yes I defended open nazis and fascists" is all I needed to hear. Very confused how this is even remotely owning me at all, it just makes you guys look like a bunch of political larpers.
    • Template:UserDNY - as if you even actually counter my argument in a good manner, all you did was avoid the main point of what I was talking about and call me a LARPer, how pathetic
  • Template:UserChirotesla - Fascism and Nazism are indeed hot garbage in my opinion. I may hate fascists' ideology, but I'll judge people based on their character. Heinrich Cheung is an example of fascist I know. I dislike his ideology, but he seems cool. but I haven't interacted with him enough. Matteel, don't soyrage over the people who disagree with your ideals. I bet You probably call me closeted fascist for defending fascists (eg: Heinrich Cheung, etc), NOT their ideology.
    • Template:UserBeryAb - Are you kidding? Heinrich Cheung is a good example of someone who doesn't act upon his beliefs, yes, but if you were consistent with this then why not distance yourself from Fabius, who randomly DM's and harasses people (Smelegem, Bacon, me)? I was on your stupid Discord server where I tried arguing with Fabius but he kept calling me the no-no, that I'm inferior, must be genocided, you know. I pinged you guys asking how you can associate with someone like this and Scarlet ended up calling ME a hypocrite. Furthermore, he straight up DM'ed Smelegem out of the blue and started calling her the n-word, openly defending colonialism, etc.. Oh, and he insulted Bacon too on PCBF. Also puts swastikas and sunwheels as profile pictures in a server with people from countries strongly affected by Nazi Germany's crimes (this is also why we will keep him banned after he violated TOS multiple times, which was all never done by Heinrich). You probably get the memo.
      • Template:UserChirotesla: I know that PaleoFabius had offended Bacon on PCBF. I don't defend PaleoFabius' insults against people that he considers inferior. I recommend you to ignore those offensive shit things and keep yourself away from anyone who had offended you.
  • Template:UserMatteel - If you defend them as people then you are just as bad as them. And by "soyraging" (which is all you old leftoids can say), you mean having a completely normal reaction to such destructive ideologies? Are you really that willing to go against modern progressivism so much that you openly defend nazis just to own the libs? Now that's low.
    • Template:UserChirotesla - I may dislike liberalism in general, but I’ll allow libs to exist and do freely as long they are nice personality in this wiki. There are a lot of PCB users’ ideology I find cringe, I’ll be friendly with them.
      • Template:UserMatteel - The problem with saying that is by saying that you're putting both liberalism and ideologies like fascism as if they're interchangeable when in reality they are fucking not, I'm not the one advocating for things like totalitarianism or genocide.
      • Template:UserDNY - completely normal reaction my ass, this wiki is full of shitasses of many differing ideals, fascists, socialists, progressives, conservatives, capitalists, nationalists, internationalists, anarchists, authoritarians, whatever, but several of them end up being friendly to each other despite being ideologically opposed, but you, yes you, are a shitass who behaves like a barbarian towards what you considered ideologically shit, your statements of "BUT THEY HAVE A DESTRUCTIVE IDEOLOGY" still doesn't prove that your personal attacks on them are justified.
        • Template:UserMatteel - In all honesty, the fact that you're so willing to die on this hill only leaves me with one thing to say, fuck yourself, genuinely, fuck yourself.
          • DuyQuangNguyenPham - He didn't even defend fascism, look up. If you think that personal attacks toward you weren't justified, why make them yourself?
        • Template:UserTony567-I mean to be fair so recent shit PaleoFabius did in my opinion so he deserved what Matteel did to him and honestly let him attack people for political reasons I have beaten up people in IRL over far less so it doesn’t matter to me anyway but considering your a communitarian i am not surprised.

ehhh

Meh, I'll tolerate socdems who are nationalist, conservative, populist, demsoc, anti-elitist, anti-EU, and anti-NATO. Shame that many of SocDem’s adherents do nothing, but only serve the neolibtard elites and the wokes. Modern SocDems also support neoliberal organizations, such as EU, NATO, and more. That’s really cringe. I would think that modern SocDems are mostly in neoliberal denial because they always fall in neoliberal propaganda. Imagine supporting those neoliberal organizations while you’re leftist. But Socdems (such as Jacobo Arbenz, Mohammad Mossadegh, etc) were ousted by the neocucks/neolibtards. Economic of SocDem is good even I’m more socialistic than SocDem. - Template:UserChirotesla

Chirotestla, what you are desribing is Welfare Chauvinism.

• Template:UserMatteel - TFW your entire criticism of modern day social democracy is just blatantly wrong. You wouldn't know what "neoliberalism" is if hit you outside the head. And yes, critical support for both NATO and the EU

DragonRed social democracy mixed economy rule of law fair trade regulation welfare state far better than classical liberalism. I don't see social democracy as social fascist.