Talk:Social Democracy

8values said I'm this.
--Magicpeartree (talk) 09:42, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Cool — ResponsibleCitizen (talk) 04:09, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

BASED

Matteel - Combining progressivist values with a welfare state is by far the most based thing ever on planet earth. Also don't feel like paying a million dollars for healthcare, if even taxes are raised the quality of services go up as well so the investment is well worth it.

Leninisbased556 social fascism can suck my ass welfare is a distraction to pacify the proletariat Dear, Leninisbased Welfare Chauvinism, is the social fascist you are looking for.

• Template:UserCouncilguy - is a marxist-leninist and calls people fascists? you are either extremely stupid or blissfully ignorant. Heck, I don't even fully disagree with your last statement.
  

UserWiki:RedDragon social democracy mixed economy rule of law fair trade regulation welfare state is much better compared to classical liberalism.But I prefer socialism.

not as based as I once thought

Sure it's still leaning based more than not and that I share similar tenants with it(especially in economics), but a major problem with it is that it's too soft, not to mention that the adherents of modern social democracy are the left-wing economic assrapers of capital, recklessly implementing milquetoast economic reforms that not only plunge the economy near to the ground, but also preserve the very status of the ultra-wealthy's grip over society + how many of those modern social democrats have cultural liberal social policies, which is awful

though I have to admit, third world and classical social democrats are still pretty based, in which those people, like Eugene V. Debbs and Mohammed Mossadegh, aren't cucks and that they were truly willing to serve the people, but the problem of the ideology itself and it's tenants being too soft still remains, sadly, social democracy has fallen from grace - Template:UserDNY

• I second this. If they dropped the cultural liberalism and became tougher against the elites, I’d support it - Template:UserGeneralGanyu

Template:UserMatteel - I swear to god you lot are the most stupid larpers I've ever seen every single time I see you guys say something it's the most retarded bullshit every single time i've seen you guys say something it makes me want to tear my eyeballs out with out dumb it is

• DuyQuangNguyenPham - Matt, if what they're saying is not true, then you should be able to make an argument against it instead of just insulting them right? Also, they're not larping (except for Chiro briefly.)
  • Template:UserMatteel - I'm sorry but these guys defend open nazis and fascists am i really supposed to respect them?
  • Template:UserDNY - ofc I and Ganyu defend them, not ideologically, but personally, yes, fascism may be shit, but I'd rather view people by their character than their ideals, and ofc you don't respect them, it's because you're a disrespectful bitch who thinks people's innocence is based on how good you like them ideologically, and you in general, are a fucking shitass who disrespects almost anything remotely authoritarian, conservative, or nationalist, and before you say "but you two attack anyone remotely progressive, internationalist, or liberal" bitch, we don't, if we really did, then we would've displayed far more fowl behavior towards people like Bery, Yoda, Savvas, DragonRed, Tony, and Duy, but we didn't
    TL;DR - Don't ever call us personal shitasses when you're one yourself, COPE
    • Template:UserMatteel - "Yes I defended open nazis and fascists" is all I needed to hear. Very confused how this is even remotely owning me at all, it just makes you guys look like a bunch of political larpers.
    • Template:UserDNY - as if you even actually counter my argument in a good manner, all you did was avoid the main point of what I was talking about and call me a LARPer, how pathetic
  • Template:UserChirotesla - Fascism and Nazism are indeed hot garbage in my opinion. I may hate fascists' ideology, but I'll judge people based on their character. Heinrich Cheung is an example of fascist I know. I dislike his ideology, but he is awesome. Matteel, don't soyrage over the people who disagree with your ideals. I bet You probably call me closeted fascist for defending fascists (eg: Heinrich Cheung, etc), NOT their ideology.
  • Template:UserMatteel - If you defend them as people then you are just as bad as them. And by "soyraging" (which is all you old leftoids can say), you mean having a completely normal reaction to such destructive ideologies? Are you really that willing to go against modern progressivism so much that you openly defend nazis just to own the libs? Now that's low.
    • Template:UserChirotesla - I may dislike liberalism in general, but I’ll allow libs to exist and do freely as long they are nice personality in this wiki. There are a lot of PCB users’ ideology I find cringe, I’ll be friendly with them.
      • Template:UserMatteel - The problem with saying that is by saying that you're putting both liberalism and ideologies like fascism as if they're interchangeable when in reality they are fucking not, I'm not the one advocating for things like totalitarianism or genocide.
      • Template:UserDNY - completely normal reaction my ass, this wiki is full of shitasses of many differing ideals, fascists, socialists, progressives, conservatives, capitalists, nationalists, internationalists, anarchists, authoritarians, whatever, but several of them end up being friendly to each other despite being ideologically opposed, but you, yes you, are a shitass who behaves like a barbarian towards what you considered ideologically shit, your statements of "BUT THEY HAVE A DESTRUCTIVE IDEOLOGY" still doesn't prove that your personal attacks on them are justified.

ehhh

Meh, I'll tolerate socdems who are nationalist, conservative, populist, demsoc, anti-elitist, anti-EU, and anti-NATO. Shame that many of SocDem’s adherents do nothing, but only serve the neolibtard elites and the wokes. Modern SocDems also support neoliberal organizations, such as EU, NATO, and more. That’s really cringe. I would think that modern SocDems are mostly in neoliberal denial because they always fall in neoliberal propaganda. Imagine supporting those neoliberal organizations while you’re leftist. But Socdems (such as Jacobo Arbenz, Mohammad Mossadegh, etc) were ousted by the neocucks/neolibtards. Economic of SocDem is good even I’m more socialistic than SocDem. - Template:UserChirotesla

• Template:UserMatteel - TFW your entire criticism of modern day social democracy is just blatantly wrong. You wouldn't know what "neoliberalism" is if hit you outside the head. And yes, critical support for both NATO and the EU

DragonRed social democracy mixed economy rule of law fair trade regulation welfare state far better than classical liberalism. I don't see social democracy as social fascist.