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|caption = "There must be some mistake - I didn't mean to let them take away my soul - am I too old? - Is it too late?"
|caption = "But when I observe the latter sacrificing pleasure, peace, wealth, power and life itself to the preservation of that one treasure, which is so disdained by those who have lost it; when I see free-born animals dash their brains out against the bars of their cage, from an innate impatience of captivity; when I behold numbers of naked savages, that despise European pleasures, braving hunger, fire, the sword and death, to preserve nothing but their independence, I feel that it is not for slaves[the civilized] to argue about liberty."
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[[File:Situ.png]] '''{{Color|FF0000|Authoritarian... Kind Of}}''' <br>[[File:Cyberfem.png]] '''[[:Category:Feminists|Feminists]]'''<br> [[File:Communization.png]] '''[[:Category:Communists|Communists]]'''<br>[[File:Ultraprogressivism.png]] '''{{Color|BF0085|Culturally Progressive}}''' <br>[[File:Anego.png]] '''{{Color|008080|Egoists}}''' <br>
[[File:Plant.png]] [[File:Radfem.png]] Feminist [[File:Marxfem.png]] [[File:Postfem.png]]<br> [[File:Fourier.png]] [[File:Sorel.png]] Communist [[File:Vpered.png]] [[File:Debord.png]]<br>[[File:Camatte.png]] [[File:Freud.png]] Anticivilizationalist [[File:Rousseau.png]] [[File:Bataille.png]] Β 
{{Template:DvIdeology/small |Ego-Communization|85.4|64.6|16.7|81.3|81.3|20.8|}}
Closest Match: [[File:Egocom.png]] '''{{PCB|Ego-Communism}}''' <br>
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|influences =
*[[File:Taoism.png]] Laozi
*[[File:Taoism.png]] Laozi(?-)
*[[File:Fourier.png]] Charles Fourier
*[[File:Spinoza.png]] Baruch Spinoza(1632-1677)
*[[File:Stirner.png|link=https://philosophyball.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Stirner.png]] Max Stirner
*[[File:Rousseau.png]] Jean-Jacques Rousseau(1712-1778)
* [[File:Marx.png]] Karl Marx
*[[File:Fourier.png]] Charles Fourier(1772-1837)
* [[File:Sorel.png]] Georges Sorel
*[[File:Stirner.png|link=https://philosophyball.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Stirner.png]] Max Stirner(1806-1856)
* [[File:Bataille.png]] Georges Bataille
* [[File:Marx.png]] Karl Marx(1818-1883)
* [[File:Nietzsche.png]] Friedrich Nietzsche
* [[File:Nietzsche.png]] Friedrich Nietzsche(1844-1900)
* [[File:LeftCom.png|link=https://polcompball.miraheze.org/wiki/File:LeftCom.png]] Amadeo Bordiga
* [[File:Sorel.png]] Georges Sorel(1847-1922)
* [[File:Surrealism2.png]] Andre Breton
* [[File:Lenin.png]] Vladimir Lenin(1870-1924)
* [[File:Surrealism2.png]] Antonin Artaud
* [[File:Luxem.png]] Rosa Luxemburg(1871-1919)
* [[File:Superfash.png]] Julius Evola
* [[File:Vpered.png]] Alexander Bogdanov(1873-1928)
* [[File:Crafttheo.png]] H.P Lovecraft
* [[File:Vpered.png]] Anatoly Lunacharsky(1875-1933)
* [[File:PrusSoc.png]] Oswald Spengler
* [[File:Trot.png]] Leon Trotsky(1879-1940)
* <s>[[File:Sartre.png]]</s> Jean-Paul Sartre
* [[File:Crafttheo.png]] H.P Lovecraft(1890-1937)
* [[File:Vpered.png]] Anatoly Lunacharsky
* [[File:Luxem.png]] Onorato Damen(1893-1979)
* [[File:Vpered.png]] Alexander Bogdanov
* [[File:Surrealism2.png]] Andre Breton(1896-1966)
* [[File:Lenin.png]] Vladimir Lenin
* [[File:Surrealism2.png]] Antonin Artaud(1896-1948)
* [[File:Luxem.png]] Rosa Luxemburg
* [[File:Bataille.png]] Georges Bataille(1897-1962)
* [[File:Trot.png]] Leon Trotsky
* [[File:Bordiga.png]] Amadeo Bordiga(1897-1970)
* [[File:Luxem.png]] Onorato Damen
*[[File:Sartre.png]] Jean-Paul Sartre(1905-1980)
* [[File:Meta-Anarchism.png]] Gilles Deleuze and Felix Guattari
*[[File:ExistFem.png]] Simone de Beauvoir(1908-1986)
* [[File:Bonanno.png]] Alfredo Bonnano
* [[File:Deleuze.png]] Gilles Deleuze(1925-1995)
* [[File:Camatte.png|link=https://pcbwiki.net/index.php/File:Camatte.png]] Jacques Camatte
* [[File:Derrida.png]] Jacques Derrida(1930-2004)
* [[File:MarioTronti.png]] Mario Tronti
* [[File:Debord.png]] Guy Debord(1931-1994)
* [[File:Globnat.png]] Michael Hardt
* [[File:Camatte.png]] Jacques Camatte(1935-)
* [[File:Auton.png]] Antonio Negri
* [[File:Bonanno.png]] Alfredo Bonnano(1937-2023)
* [[File:Derrida.png]] Jacques Derrida
*[[File:Radfem.png]] Shulamith Firestone(1945-2012)
* [[File:Cyberfem.png|link=https://polcompball.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Cyberfem.png]] Sadie Plant
* [[File:NickLand.png]] Nick Land(1962-)
* [[File:NickLand.png]] Nick Land
* [[File:Cyberfem.png]] Sadie Plant(1964-)
* [[File:Acidcom.png]] Mark Fisher
* [[File:Acidcom.png]] Mark Fisher(1968-2017)
*[[File:CCRU.png]] The CCRU
* <s>[[File:AnCommunization.png]]</s> Tiqqun
* <s>[[File:AnCommunization.png]]</s> Tiqqun
* [[File:Communization.png]] Theorie Communiste
* [[File:Communization.png]] Theorie Communiste
* [[File:Hostis.png]] Hostis
* [[File:DarkDeleuze.png]] Andrew Culp(?-)
* [[File:Pessimism.png]] Eugene Thacker
* [[File:DarkDeleuze.png]] Andrew Culp
* [[File:Esosoc.png|link=https://polcompball.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Esosoc.png]] Ian Wright
* [[File:Crafttheo.png]] Robert W. Chambers


|song = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_t55mbHFps
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|book = Terrorism and Communism
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|likes = Biotechnology<br>Avant-Garde Art<br>H.R Giger<br>The King in Yellow
|likes = H.R Giger
|dislikes = Socialist Realism<br>Figurative Art<br>Capital<br>Barbie
|dislikes = Socialist Realism
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}}[[File:Postcamel.png]] Post-Camelism is the ideology of Cholera/E Coli/Chlamydia Camel. It can be conceptualized as a shift from Communization Theory towards a sort of [[File:Situ.png]]Situationist-Autonomism[[File:Auton.png]]. Essentially, their view is that the proletariat, while in the process of dismantling itself, must live anarchy and communism for itself, while simultaneously ensuring the suppression of both the liberal bourgeoisie and the reactionary bonapartists. The end goal of Post-Camelism is the dissolution of self-identity, the freeing of desire, and the destruction OF man as we know it. It is ultimately an attempt to recreate the communistic, selfless and attributeless godhood of the primordial soup from which life emerged. Endlessly decadent sex, merging unmerging dismantled machines.
}}[[File:Postcamel.png]] Post-Camelism is the ideology/philosophy of Cholera/E Coli/Chlamydia/Cyclothymia/Freaky Camel.


==Views ,,,or,,, something==
*[[File:Bordiga.png]] Vanguardism
*[[File:Auton.png]] Living Communism
*[[File:Anticiv.png]] Anti-Civilization
*[[File:CCRU.png]] Engagement in the Lemurian Time War
*[[File:Plant.png]] Reviving Pre-Civilizational Social Relations
*[[File:LeftTerrorist.png]] Red Terror
*[[File:LeftTerrorist.png]] Red Terror
*[[File:LeftCom.png]] Vanguardism
*[[File:Hyperstition.png]] Summoning Communism
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*[[File:Surrealism2.png]] Satisfying the Oceanic Feeling
*[[File:Surrealism2.png]] Surrealism (return to pre-self-conscious existence)
*[[File:Radfem.png]] Radical Feminism(Abolition of Gender, Family, etc.)
*[[File:Sorel.png]] Construction of a Communist Mythos
*[[File:Vpered.png]] Communistic Social Relations Replacing Religious Ones
*[[File:Insan2.png]] Insurrection Against the Metropolis
*[[File:Auton.png]] Occupation Over Striking
*[[File:Situ.png]] Living Communism [[File:AnCommunization.png]]
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== Surrealist-Communism: Limit-Experience and the Preconscious ==
The relationship between the concept of surrealism and that of communism has only been analyzed in a purely correlational manner. It has been said that many surrealists were communists, and that is all. It has been noted that the two movements were linked. But what is the source of this linkage? Could it be that both surrealism and communism emulate a sort of primal call, a call for liberation and for unconscious freedom? This is what we will investigate.
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It is and always was a mistake to claim that surrealism attempts to emulate dreams. Surrealism, rather, seeks to walk on the border between the waking and sleeping worlds. And it is in this realm that we find the 'limit-experience'. The limit-experience is that event which seems so miraculous that it may as well be(but is not) impossible. Miraculous is a crucial adjective here. The miraculous is quite similar in nature to the limit-experience. It is that which seems impossible. In the delusions and psychoses of the schizophrenic, the trips of the psychedelic junkie, the deranged fantasies of the masochist and the cold embrace of death we witness prime examples of the miraculous, the limit-experience. What is fascinating about the limit-experience is that it dissolves conventional boundaries of emotion. In the face of events like death, birth, hallucination and illusion, the intensity of feeling seems to break down the border between joy and sorrow, mania and depression. As far as anyone is concerned, the limit-experience is surreal in the purest sense, considering it is not wholely real, and yet, there it is!
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The limit-experience is, to me, the purest possible case of surrealism. Now, you may ask, where does this figure into communism? From the get-go, surrealism and communism have been linked. The bravado for social change *inherent* in a surrealist conception of reality, that is, a conception of reality that offers a positive appraisal of what is seen by many as useless, impossible or mad, lends itself well to what Derrida might call the *eschatology* of Marxism. Surrealism, is, after all, just as much as any other ultramodernist artistic movement(futurism comes to mind,) eschatological. It studies and calls for the end of the world-as-we-know-it. And so too does Marxism. Now, what is the end that both Marxism and surrealism reach for? We can conceive it as cyclical. It is, in both movements, a return. A return to what? A return to the unconscious and the undifferentiated. What is crucial to both surrealism and Marxism is a fundamental oneness, or a beocming-one. Differentiation can be seen as the opponent of both. The surrealist opposes differentation on the grounds that the differentiation of the self from the outside, of the conscious from the unconscious creates only an oppressive stratification, as opposed to the liberatory oneness of the unconscious(or, perhaps more accurately, the pre-conscious?)
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Communism, mediated through the analytical and practical vehicle of Marxism, is also the proliferation of the limit-experience. How? Because it is a return to un(pre)conscious man. It is the dissolution of self-identity, of the subject-as-separate-from-the-world and the radical appropriation and incorporation of all into the self. And this is the most fundamental limit-experience there is. Now, some elaboration, some explanation, is required. How is communism a return to unconscious existence? Simply because, in a liberated communistic society, self-consciousness is no longer necessary. As society comes to resconstruct community, to return to community, the individual is no longer restricted in their action. They are liberated. Self-consciousness is the primary organ of restriction, of stratification, in the human psyche. It is, in essence, a circuit breaker for desire. It controls and checks the flows of will and ultimately stratifies them to no end. And in the primitive, communistic man, we do not find such stratification. We find free action. The individual acts according to their own interests and instincts, according to their desire, and actively actualizes these interests and instincts, this desire. The communist man is entirely responsive to their own desire, and thus is entirely or to some extent devoid of self-consciousness. The communist man is a return, they are a reproduction of what-once-was. It is likely that self-consciousness will not be eliminated in its entirety through the production of communistic social relations, but it is certain that its role will at the very least be diminished. And this dissolution of self-consciousness is, in itself, a limit-experience. It is a radical deconstruction of what it means to experience, and, thus, is miraculous in nature.
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= Relations =
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* [[User:Postleftanark|Postleftanark]] Communism is not just 'another utopian leftist movement.' It is the movement to abolish the present state of things! It is an eschatological tendency towards the dissolution of capitalistic social relations! Communism is the name for something more than just a leftist ideology. It is the name of freedom, of liberation. Communism is not dead, for it has not yet truly been born. Now, you seem to misunderstand a central point of my position. It is not that I support the conditions of the proletariat, nor do I identify with them. I support the cause of the proletariat because they are the social class which is most acutely aware of the ills of capitalism, and is thus most acutely able to fight against capitalism. Of course the DotP is a limiting concept; it exists to be abolished. The only purpose of the dictatorship of the proletariat is to suppress reaction and destroy resistance to communism. You may very well critique communism, but as far as I am concerned your 'post-leftism' offers no actual vision of a better society and is not applicable on a mass scale. Communism is the abolition of social mediation, the assertion of real social relations between individuals and the abolition of capital and all its' odious organs.
* [[User:MrNoNonsense|MrNoNonsense]] It seems we're here again. To start, I must state that I strongly admire your reason shifts towards a more revolutionary politic. However, I still have my old gripes, chief among them my criticism of your vile entryist policy. MNN, a bourgeois party is a bourgeois party. A party that has been dominated by bourgeois interests for decades and continues to be dominated by bourgeois interests simply cannot be a vehicle for proletarian action. Why must we reconquest this party or that trade union? Why must we capture organs of bourgeois rule(even once that were once proletarian?) Why can we not simply create our own structures and politics, our own forms of organization and our own forms of resistance, rather than appropriating the old tools? It seems to me that you are in the throes of a simultaneous pessimism and a sentimentality. On the one hand, I speculate that you do not believe an independent proletarian party can garner enough support to create actual change. On the other, you do seem to have quite the attachment to labour, and I suspect this plays a significant role in your continual fixation on this party. Other small criticisms are centered on your pointlessly enthusiastic emphasis on technological augmentation, and perhaps on lingering reformist platitudes.
* https://pcbwiki.net/images/ImpSoc.png [[Imperial Socialism]] Ah, I my as well add you. You are a symptom of a painful diagnosis that has recently infected the socialist movement; that of Bonapartism. Bonapartism is, in essence, that villainous ideological tendency in which authentically revolutionary movements are co-opted by pseudo-proletarian moderates(oftentimes, but not exclusively, military officers) who do nothing but mitigate the authentic progression of communism and plague it with borderline reactionary and conservative attitudes.

Latest revision as of 10:57, 5 July 2024

Post-Camelism is the ideology/philosophy of Cholera/E Coli/Chlamydia/Cyclothymia/Freaky Camel.

  • Vanguardism
  • Living Communism
  • Anti-Civilization
  • Engagement in the Lemurian Time War
  • Reviving Pre-Civilizational Social Relations
  • Red Terror
  • Summoning Communism
  • Satisfying the Oceanic Feeling