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Engels seeks to use the idea of egoism to prove a point; that it doesn't work, that under its own absurdities and contradictions that its adherents are more likely to turn to communism, a decidedly anti-egoist (or perhaps post-egoist) than to continue as an egoist. He advocates not for an embracement of the ego or of egoism to reinforce it, but rather to destroy it; to destroy the idea of the individual in favor of the empirical Man, not separate from society, not disconnected from its goals, but united with it while still maintaining his own goals. It is in the self-interest of the Ego to destroy itself. That is the point he is making.<br>
Engels seeks to use the idea of egoism to prove a point; that it doesn't work, that under its own absurdities and contradictions that its adherents are more likely to turn to communism, a decidedly anti-egoist (or perhaps post-egoist) than to continue as an egoist. He advocates not for an embracement of the ego or of egoism to reinforce it, but rather to destroy it; to destroy the idea of the individual in favor of the empirical Man, not separate from society, not disconnected from its goals, but united with it while still maintaining his own goals. It is in the self-interest of the Ego to destroy itself. That is the point he is making.<br>
Even if we were to make the rather stretchable conclusion that Engels is not denouncing egoism but instead supporting it, he is certainly not advocating for the nihilistic, purely individualistic and immaterial worldview of Stirner. We therefore can make the conclusion that no, communism is not compatible with egoism. Rather, the conclusion to be made is that out of egoism, the idea of the 'Ego' will abolish itself.
Even if we were to make the rather stretchable conclusion that Engels is not denouncing egoism but instead supporting it, he is certainly not advocating for the nihilistic, purely individualistic and immaterial worldview of Stirner. We therefore can make the conclusion that no, communism is not compatible with egoism. Rather, the conclusion to be made is that out of egoism, the idea of the 'Ego' will abolish itself.
***{{merid}} - fair enough I have reverted became to being just a individualist marxist
***{{merid}} - fair enough I have reverted back to being just a individualist marxist




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Neo-Leninism is an Error creating thumbnail: Unable to save thumbnail to destination economically far-left, Error creating thumbnail: Unable to save thumbnail to destination culturally left ideology based on the ideological interpretations of Marxism by Error creating thumbnail: Unable to save thumbnail to destination Vladimir Lenin known as Error creating thumbnail: Unable to save thumbnail to destination Leninism . It takes significant ideological influences from Luxemburgism and minor ideological influences from Error creating thumbnail: Unable to save thumbnail to destination Maoism.

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How many times I gotta say it. Just because it sounds cool doesn't mean it is. It's revisionist. Communism is incompatible with Egoism. You get 2 points off for that. Another point off for being obsesssed with Dixie or whatever. 7/10.

    • Venatrixism how is Egoist Communist, Revisionist and Incompatible. Engels literally said this once "We are communists out of egoism also, and it is out of egoism that we wish to be human beings, not mere individuals."[1]
      • This is a misunderstanding of what Engels is referring to here. If we must understand the actual context of the quote, we must do a lot further reading.

... This egoism is simply the essence of present society and present man brought to consciousness, the ultimate that can be said against us by present society, the culmination of all the theory intrinsic to the prevailing stupidity. But that's precisely what makes the thing important, more important than Hess, for one, holds it to be. We must not simply cast it aside, but rather use it as the perfect expression of present-day folly and, while inverting it, continue to build on it. This egoism is taken to such a pitch, it is so absurd and at the same time so self-aware, that it cannot maintain itself even for an instant in its one-sidedness, but must immediately change into communism. In the first place it's a simple matter to prove to Stirner that his egoistic man is bound to become communist out of sheer egoism.
... But we must also adopt such truth as there is in the principle. And it is certainly true that we must first make a cause our own, egoistic cause, before we can do anything to further it – and hence that in this sense, irrespective of any eventual material aspirations, we are communists out of egoism also, and it is out of egoism that we wish to be human beings, not mere individuals. Or to put it another way. Stirner is right in rejecting Feuerbach's ‘man’, or at least the ‘man’ of Das Wesen des Christentums. [13] Feuerbach deduces his ‘man’ from God, it is from God that he arrives at ‘man’, and hence ‘man’ is crowned with a theological halo of abstraction. The true way to arrive at ‘man’ is the other way about. We must take our departure from the Ego, the empirical, flesh-and-blood individual, if we are not, like Stirner, to remain stuck at this point but rather proceed to raise ourselves to ‘man’. ‘man’ will always remain a wraith so long as his basis is not empirical man.
This passage is very much often seen as proof that Engels or even Marx subscribed to the idea that communism is Egoistic; or that it is even compatible with such the ideology. Yet doing the slightest bit of further reading proves the exact opposite. Engels states directly that rather than embracing the Ego that we must 'depart' from it; to discard it in favor of 'man'; empirical man. This is further backed by his previous statement in which he states that it is out of egoism which [sic] "we wish to be human beings, not mere individuals". In other words, Engels here is advocating for evolving past the idea of the individual; as lone organism which acts purely of his own ego, and towards the idea of human beings; the empirical man, humanity as a whole.
The term 'egoism' in this context does not refer to the Egoism of Stirner but simply the act of self-interest. It is, indeed, in Engel's self-interest (and thus out of egoism) that he is a communist and that he wishes to be a human being rather than a simple 'individual'. Those who unironically believe in what they believe in believe in it as such because it will one way or another benefit their self-interest. The important thing to note here is that Engels states that this is not the reason why he is a communist. He states that this is irrespective of material aspirations; of the basis for a communist society.
We again cannot ignore the fact that throughout this entire article, Engels is shitting on Stirner's concept of the ego; pointing out its contradictions and absurdities. He points out that the idea that man is selfish and driven only by Ego is stupid and instead points out that 'the human heart is of itself, from the very outset, unselfish and self-sacrificing'. This is what he is referring to by 'one-sidedness'; the one-sidedness of Egoism which believes there to only be the Ego and nothing else.
Engels seeks to use the idea of egoism to prove a point; that it doesn't work, that under its own absurdities and contradictions that its adherents are more likely to turn to communism, a decidedly anti-egoist (or perhaps post-egoist) than to continue as an egoist. He advocates not for an embracement of the ego or of egoism to reinforce it, but rather to destroy it; to destroy the idea of the individual in favor of the empirical Man, not separate from society, not disconnected from its goals, but united with it while still maintaining his own goals. It is in the self-interest of the Ego to destroy itself. That is the point he is making.
Even if we were to make the rather stretchable conclusion that Engels is not denouncing egoism but instead supporting it, he is certainly not advocating for the nihilistic, purely individualistic and immaterial worldview of Stirner. We therefore can make the conclusion that no, communism is not compatible with egoism. Rather, the conclusion to be made is that out of egoism, the idea of the 'Ego' will abolish itself.

      • Venatrixism - fair enough I have reverted back to being just a individualist marxist


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I've said enough on Egoists for you to know how I feel about Egoists and the lot. Not much for me to say on that.

No more larping. Bad. *swats*. And Contrarianism doesn't mean 'be contradictory' it means 'you're opposed to ruling/prevailing political ideologies'.

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  1. ↑ https://marxists.info/archive/marx/works/1844/letters/44_11_19.htm
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