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{{Ideology
{{Ideology
|title=[[File:Utsoc.png]] Utopian Socialism
|title=[[File:NonMarxSoc.png]] Non-Marxist Socialism
|image=UtopiaSoc1.png
|image=Nonmarxsocial.png
|caption="Despots prefer the friendship of the dog, who, unjustly mistreated and debased, still loves and serves the man who wronged him."
|caption= "Reject Marxism, Embrace Socialism"
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[[File:Utsoc.png]] UtSoc<br>
[[File:NonMarxSoc.png]] NonMarxSoc<br>
[[File:Marketsoc.png]] Owenism<br>  
[[File:RobertOwen.png]] Owenism<br>  
[[File:Fourier.png]] Fourierism<br>
[[File:Fourier.png]] Fourierism<br>
[[File:Utopianism2.png]] [[mh:philosophyball:Utopianism|Utopianism]]<br>
[[File:Utopianism2.png]] [[phil:Utopianism|Utopianism]]<br>
Classical Utopianism ([[File:Utopianism2.png]] [[mh:philosophyball:Utopianism|Utopianism]])<br>
Classical Utopianism ([[File:Utopianism2.png]] [[phil:Utopianism|Utopianism]])<br>
[[File:Saint-Simonianism.png]] Saint-Simonianism<br>
[[File:Saint-Simonianism.png]] Saint-Simonianism<br>
[[File:ProtoSoc.png]] Proto-Socialism (debatably)<br>
[[File:ProtoSoc.png]] Proto-Socialism (debatably)<br>
[[File:Hippie.png]] {{PCBA|Hippieism|Hippie}}<br>
[[File:Hippie.png]] [[Progressivism|Hippie]]<br>
[[File:NonMarxSoc.png]] Non-Marxist Socialism<br>
[[File:Utsoc.png]] Utopian Socialism<br>
[[File:Nordmodel.png]] [[Nordic Model]] (according to a few American [[File:Dsa.png]] [[Democratic Socialism|DemSocs]])<br>
[[File:Nordmodel.png]] [[Nordic Model]] (according to a few American [[File:Dsa.png]] [[Democratic Socialism|DemSocs]])<br>
[[File:UtsocBow.png]] Miss Utopia<br>
[[File:UtsocBow.png]] Miss Utopia<br>
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}}
|influences=[[File:Catheo.png]] [[Catholic Theocracy]]<br>
|influences=[[File:Catheo.png]] [[Catholic Theocracy]]<br>
[[File:Equality.png]] [[mh:philosophyball:Egalitarianism|Egalitarianism]]<br>
[[File:Equality.png]] [[phil:Egalitarianism|Egalitarianism]]<br>
[[File:Pac.png]] [[mh:philosophyball:Pacifism|Pacifism]]<br>
[[File:Pac.png]] [[Pacifism]]<br>
[[File:Philan.png]] [[Philosophical Anarchism]]{{Refn|William Godwin was an early Socialist and a Proto-Communist, with his thought largely influenced by Socialism writings of Robert Owen and Charles Fourier.|group=Note}}
[[File:Philan.png]] [[Philosophical Anarchism]]{{Refn|William Godwin was an early Socialist and a Proto-Communist, with his thought largely influenced by Socialism writings of Robert Owen and Charles Fourier.|group=Note}}
|sub=
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*[[File:Utopianism2.png]] '''{{Colorlink|#FFE680|Utopianism}}''' {{Collapse|
*[[File:Utopianism2.png]] '''{{Colorlink|#FFE680|Utopianism}}''' {{Collapse|
**[[File:Agsoc.png]] [[Agrarian Socialism]]
**[[File:Agsoc.png]] [[Agrarian Socialism]]
**[[File:Antiath.png]] {{PCBA|Anti-Atheism}}
**[[File:Antiath.png]] Anti-Atheism
**[[File:Antifeud.png]] Anti-Feudalism
**[[File:Antifeud.png]] Anti-Feudalism
**[[File:Anti-Protestant.png]] Anti-Protestantism
**[[File:Anti-Protestant.png]] Anti-Protestantism
**[[File:Aristotle.png]] [[mh:philosophyball:Aristotelianism|Aristotelianism]]
**[[File:Aristotle.png]] [[phil:Aristotelianism|Aristotelianism]]
**[[File:Christy.png]] [[Christian Theocracy|Augustinianism]]
**[[File:Christy.png]] [[Christian Theocracy|Augustinianism]]
**[[File:Catheo.png]] [[Catholic Theocracy]]
**[[File:Catheo.png]] [[Catholic Theocracy]]
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*[[File:Fourier.png]] '''{{Colorlink|#FFE680|Fourierism}}''' {{Collapse|
*[[File:Fourier.png]] '''{{Colorlink|#FFE680|Fourierism}}''' {{Collapse|
**[[File:Anticiv.png]] [[Post-Leftism|Anti-Civilization]]
**[[File:Anticiv.png]] [[Post-Leftism|Anti-Civilization]]
**[[File:Anti-Semitic.png]] {{PCBA|Anti-Semitism}} (Formerly)
**[[File:Anti-Semitic.png]] [[Anti-Semitism]] (Formerly)
**[[File:Community.png]] [[Communitarianism]]
**[[File:Community.png]] [[Communitarianism]]
**[[File:Fem.png]] [[Feminism]]
**[[File:Fem.png]] [[Feminism]]
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**[[File:Christsoc.png]] [[Christian Socialism]]
**[[File:Christsoc.png]] [[Christian Socialism]]
**[[File:Technocracy.png]] [[Technocracy]]
**[[File:Technocracy.png]] [[Technocracy]]
}}
*[[File:RobertOwen.png]] '''Owenism''' {{Collapse|
**[[File:Marketsoc.png]] [[Market Socialism]]
**[[File:Godwin.png]] [[Philosophical Anarchism|Godwinism]]
}}
}}
|regional=
|regional=
*[[File:Lennon.png]] '''Lennonism'''{{Collapse|
*[[File:Lennon.png]] '''Lennonism'''{{Collapse|
**[[File:Anticap.png]] {{PCBA|Anti-Capitalism}}
**[[File:Anticap.png]] [[Anti-Capitalism]]
**[[File:Anticon.png]] [[Progressivism|Anti-Conservatism]]
**[[File:Anticon.png]] [[Progressivism|Anti-Conservatism]]
**[[File:AntiRacism.png]] {{PCBA|Anti-Racism}}
**[[File:AntiRacism.png]] [[Anti-Racism]]
**[[File:Fem.png]] [[Feminism]]
**[[File:Fem.png]] [[Feminism]]
**[[File:Yippie.png]] [[Post-Leftism|Hoffmanism]]
**[[File:Yippie.png]] [[Post-Leftism|Hoffmanism]]
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**[[File:Ormarxf.png]] [[Marxism]] (sympathetic)
**[[File:Ormarxf.png]] [[Marxism]] (sympathetic)
**[[File:Mansphere.png]] [[Manosphere|Masculism]] (accused)
**[[File:Mansphere.png]] [[Manosphere|Masculism]] (accused)
**[[File:Pac.png]] {{PCBA|Pacifism}}
**[[File:Pac.png]] [[Pacifism]]
**[[File:Champagne Socialism.png]] [[Capitalist Communism|Champagne Socialism]]
**[[File:Champagne Socialism.png]] [[Capitalist Communism|Champagne Socialism]]
**[[File:Prog-u.png]] [[Progressivism]]
**[[File:Prog-u.png]] [[Progressivism]]
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[[File:Cball-Commonwealth.png]] '''Commonwealth Realm''' {{Collapse|
[[File:Cball-Commonwealth.png]] '''Commonwealth Realm''' {{Collapse|
*[[File:Utopianism2.png]] {{PCBA|Utopianism|Thomas More}} (1478-1535) [[File:Cball-England.png]] England
*[[File:Utopianism2.png]] [[phil:Utopianism|Thomas More]] (1478-1535) [[File:Cball-England.png]] England
*[[File:TLeveller.png]] [[Diggerism|Gerrard Winstanley]] (1609-1676) [[File:Cball-England.png]] England
*[[File:TLeveller.png]] [[Diggerism|Gerrard Winstanley]] (1609-1676) [[File:Cball-England.png]] England
*[[File:Marketsoc.png]] [[Market Socialism|Robert Owen]] (1771-1858) [[File:Cball-GB.png]] Great Britain
*[[File:Marketsoc.png]] [[Market Socialism|Robert Owen]] (1771-1858) [[File:Cball-GB.png]] Great Britain
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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hXe7dwFQac The Internationale (beautiful Version)]  
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hXe7dwFQac The Internationale (beautiful Version)]  
}}
}}
'''Utopian Socialism''' clipped to '''UtSoc''' is an umbrella term for any type of [[File:Soc-h.png]] [[socialism]] which rejects [[File:Ormarxf.png]] [[Marxism|Marx's]] concept of [[File:ScientificSoc.png]] 'scientific socialism' and material dialectic. Utopian Socialism isn't necessarily 'utopian' in the common sense, (although it oftentimes can be), and may involve a varying degree of pessimism about the nature of humanity. [[File:Saint-Simonianism.png]] Henri de Saint-Simon, [[File:CharlesFourier.png]] Charles Fourier, [[File:Marketsoc.png]] Robert Owen, and [[File:Proudhon.png]] Pierre-Joseph Proudhon are examples of socialist theorists who were regarded by Marx and Engels as Utopian Socialists.  
'''Non-Marxist Socialism''' clipped to '''NonMarxSoc''' is an umbrella term for any type of [[File:Soc-h.png]] [[socialism]] which rejects [[File:Ormarxf.png]] [[Marxism|Marx's]] concept of [[File:ScientificSoc.png]] 'scientific socialism' and material dialectic. Utopian Socialism isn't necessarily 'utopian' in the common sense, (although it oftentimes can be), and may involve a varying degree of pessimism about the nature of humanity. [[File:Saint-Simonianism.png]] Henri de Saint-Simon, [[File:CharlesFourier.png]] Charles Fourier, [[File:Marketsoc.png]] Robert Owen, and [[File:Proudhon.png]] Pierre-Joseph Proudhon are examples of socialist theorists who were regarded by Marx and Engels as Utopian Socialists.
 
An instance of Non-Marxist Socialism was that practiced by [[File:Marketsoc.png]] Robert Owen, who believed in creating Socialism by renting a plentiful area of land to establish said ″socialist utopia″ where everyone can redistribute the means of production in peace through class collabration, including the bourgeoisie who would willingly give up their wealth to live in the utopia.


==Variants==
==Variants==
=== [[File:BourgConSoc.png]] Bourgeois Socialism ===
===[[File:BourgConSoc.png]] Bourgeois Socialism===
'''Bourgeois socialism''' or '''conservative socialism''' was a term used by [[File:Ormarxf.png]] Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in various pieces, including in ''The Communist Manifesto''. ''Conservative socialism'' was used as a rebuke by Marx for certain strains of socialism, but it has also been used by proponents of such a system. Bourgeois socialists are described as those that advocate for preserving the existing society using various means to only eliminate perceived evils of the system. Conservative socialism and '' [[File:SocRight.png]] right wing socialism'' are also used as a descriptor, and in some cases as a pejorative, by [[File:Libcon.png]] free-market conservative and [[File:Libertarian_Capitalism.png]] right-libertarian movements and politicians to describe more [[File:Regulationism.png]] economically interventionist strands of conservatism.
'''Bourgeois Socialism''' or '''Conservative Socialism''' was a term used by [[File:Ormarxf.png]] Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in various pieces, including in ''The Communist Manifesto''. ''Conservative socialism'' was used as a rebuke by Marx for certain strains of socialism, but it has also been used by proponents of such a system. Bourgeois socialists are described as those that advocate for preserving the existing society using various means to only eliminate perceived evils of the system. Conservative socialism and '' [[File:SocRight.png]] right wing socialism'' are also used as a descriptor, and in some cases as a pejorative, by [[File:Libcon.png]] free-market conservative and [[File:Libertarian_Capitalism.png]] right-libertarian movements and politicians to describe more [[File:Regulationism.png]] economically interventionist strands of conservatism.
The Marxist view is such that the bourgeois socialist is the sustainer of the current state of bourgeois class relations. In the Principles of Communism Engels describes them as "so-called socialists" who only seek to remove the evils inherent in capitalist society while maintaining the existing society often relying on methods such as [[File:Welf.png]] welfare systems and grandiose claims of [[File:Left Reformism.png]] social reform.  Opinions vary as to whether if bourgeois socialist is actively protecting or intentionally excusing the current order, but the common thread is that they are in objective fact preserving it. Rather than [[File:Abolitionism.png]] abolishing class divisions, they wish to simply raise everyone up to be a member of the bourgeoisie to allow everyone the ability to endlessly accumulate capital without a working class. In ''The Communist Manifesto'', Marx and Engels use philanthropists, monks ("temperance fanatics") and reformers as examples of this type of socialist that they saw as opposed to their own aims. In expressing its views on the subject, Marx explicitly referenced [[File:Mutalist.png]] Pierre-Joseph Proudhon's ''The Philosophy of Poverty'', stating the following about bourgeois socialism:
The Marxist view is such that the bourgeois socialist is the sustainer of the current state of bourgeois class relations. In the Principles of Communism Engels describes them as "so-called socialists" who only seek to remove the evils inherent in capitalist society while maintaining the existing society often relying on methods such as [[File:Welf.png]] welfare systems and grandiose claims of [[File:Left Reformism.png]] social reform.  Opinions vary as to whether if bourgeois socialist is actively protecting or intentionally excusing the current order, but the common thread is that they are in objective fact preserving it. Rather than [[File:Abolitionism.png]] abolishing class divisions, they wish to simply raise everyone up to be a member of the bourgeoisie to allow everyone the ability to endlessly accumulate capital without a working class. In ''The Communist Manifesto'', Marx and Engels use philanthropists, monks ("temperance fanatics") and reformers as examples of this type of socialist that they saw as opposed to their own aims. In expressing its views on the subject, Marx explicitly referenced [[File:Mutalist.png]] Pierre-Joseph Proudhon's ''The Philosophy of Poverty'', stating the following about bourgeois socialism:
<blockquote>The Socialistic bourgeois want all the advantages of modern social conditions without the struggles and dangers necessarily resulting therefrom.</blockquote>
<blockquote>The Socialistic bourgeois want all the advantages of modern social conditions without the struggles and dangers necessarily resulting therefrom.</blockquote>
Bourgeois socialists are considered as [[File:Lumpenproletariat.png]] working for the enemies of communists by preserving the society that communists seek to overthrow thus Engels claims that communists must continuously struggle against them.
Bourgeois socialists are considered as [[File:Lumpenproletariat.png]] working for the enemies of communists by preserving the society that communists seek to overthrow thus Engels claims that communists must continuously struggle against them.
===[[File:Utopianism2.png]] Utopianism (Thomas More)===
===[[File:Utopianism2.png]] Utopianism (Thomas More)===
<blockquote>"Main Article: [[Communalism]]"</blockquote>
WIP
WIP
===[[File:Fourier.png]] Fourierism ===  
 
===Proudhonism===
<blockquote>"Main Article: [[Mutualism]]"</blockquote>
WIP
 
===[[File:Fourier.png]] Fourierism===
WIP
WIP


==Tenets ==
==Tenets==
Utopian Socialism usually does not analyse any ways of getting to her goals, or achieving them. Instead, she imagines her idea of a perfect society, usually based on some sense of morality or justice.  
Non-Marxist Socialism usually does not analyse any ways of getting to her goals, or achieving them. Instead, she imagines her idea of a perfect society, usually based on some sense of morality or justice.


==Personality ==
==Personality==
Acts like a hippie. Loves the Beatles, especially John Lennon. Very peaceful and hates conflict.
Acts like a hippie. Loves the Beatles, especially John Lennon. Very peaceful and hates conflict.


==How to Draw ==
==How to Draw==
{{Flag|Utsoc_flag.svg}}
{{Flag|Utsoc_flag.svg}}
#Draw a ball
#Draw a ball
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*[[File:Synd.png]] [[Syndicalism]] - Using unionization and strikes to achieve socialism? Based!
*[[File:Synd.png]] [[Syndicalism]] - Using unionization and strikes to achieve socialism? Based!
*[[File:Proudhon.png]] [[Mutualism]] - My anarchist variant
*[[File:Proudhon.png]] [[Mutualism]] - My anarchist variant
*[[File:Lennon.png]] {{PCBA|Hippieism|Lennonism}} - Thanks for the great song!
*[[File:Lennon.png]] [[Hippieism|Lennonism]] - Thanks for the great song!


===Frenemies===  
===Frenemies===
*[[File:Yellsoc.png]] [[Yellow Socialism]] - Compromising with capitalists is great and all but do you have to be so reactionary?
*[[File:Yellsoc.png]] [[Yellow Socialism]] - Compromising with capitalists is great and all but do you have to be so reactionary?
*[[File:Anin.png]] [[Anarcho-Individualism]] - You are my son but you are really selfish.
*[[File:Anin.png]] [[Anarcho-Individualism]] - You are my son thought Proudhon but you are really selfish.
*[[File:Monsoc.png]] [[Monarcho-Socialism]] - You are technically a form of me but I would rather a republic.  
*[[File:Monsoc.png]] [[Monarcho-Socialism]] - You are technically a form of me but I would rather a republic.  
*[[File:Clib.png]] [[Classical Liberalism]] - I love your liberty but could you maybe free the working man as you free the serf?  
*[[File:Clib.png]] [[Classical Liberalism]] - I love your liberty but could you maybe free the working man as you free the serf?  
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*[[File:Ormarxf.png]] [[Marxism]] - A materialist idiot who tried to discredit me by creating "Scientific Socialism". Also your way of revolution is just violent and impossible!
*[[File:Ormarxf.png]] [[Marxism]] - A materialist idiot who tried to discredit me by creating "Scientific Socialism". Also your way of revolution is just violent and impossible!
*[[File:LeftCom.png]] [[Left Communism]] - Ultra Marxist
*[[File:LeftCom.png]] [[Left Communism]] - Ultra Marxist
*[[File:Scientocracy Small.png]] [[Scientocracy]] - Ruined socialism.  
*[[File:Scientocracy Small.png]] [[Scientocracy]] - Ruined socialism. <s>But Saint-Simon was an intellectual</s>
*[[File:Necon.png]] [[Neoconservatism]] - Please stop being mean to people for being socialist? Pretty Please?
*[[File:Necon.png]] [[Neoconservatism]] - Please stop being mean to people for being socialist? Pretty Please?


==Further Information==
==Further Information==
===Literature===
===Literature===
*[https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Utopia_(1901) Utopia] by [[File:Utopianism2.png]] {{PCBA|Utopianism|Thomas More}}
*[https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Utopia_(1901) Utopia] by [[File:Utopianism2.png]] [[Utopianism|Thomas More]]
*[https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/economics/owen/society/index.htm A New View Of Society] by [[File:Marketsoc.png]] [[Market Socialism|Robert Owen]]
*[https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/economics/owen/society/index.htm A New View Of Society] by [[File:Marketsoc.png]] [[Market Socialism|Robert Owen]]
*[https://archive.org/details/lookingbackward01bellgoog/page/n6/mode/1up?view=theater Looking Backward] by [[File:Leftpop-0.png]] [[Left-Wing Populism|Edward Bellamy]]
*[https://archive.org/details/lookingbackward01bellgoog/page/n6/mode/1up?view=theater Looking Backward] by [[File:Leftpop-0.png]] [[Left-Wing Populism|Edward Bellamy]]

Latest revision as of 07:26, 31 October 2024

Non-Marxist Socialism clipped to NonMarxSoc is an umbrella term for any type of socialism which rejects Marx's concept of 'scientific socialism' and material dialectic. Utopian Socialism isn't necessarily 'utopian' in the common sense, (although it oftentimes can be), and may involve a varying degree of pessimism about the nature of humanity. Henri de Saint-Simon, Charles Fourier, Robert Owen, and Pierre-Joseph Proudhon are examples of socialist theorists who were regarded by Marx and Engels as Utopian Socialists.

An instance of Non-Marxist Socialism was that practiced by Robert Owen, who believed in creating Socialism by renting a plentiful area of land to establish said ″socialist utopia″ where everyone can redistribute the means of production in peace through class collabration, including the bourgeoisie who would willingly give up their wealth to live in the utopia.

Variants

Bourgeois Socialism

Bourgeois Socialism or Conservative Socialism was a term used by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in various pieces, including in The Communist Manifesto. Conservative socialism was used as a rebuke by Marx for certain strains of socialism, but it has also been used by proponents of such a system. Bourgeois socialists are described as those that advocate for preserving the existing society using various means to only eliminate perceived evils of the system. Conservative socialism and right wing socialism are also used as a descriptor, and in some cases as a pejorative, by free-market conservative and right-libertarian movements and politicians to describe more economically interventionist strands of conservatism. The Marxist view is such that the bourgeois socialist is the sustainer of the current state of bourgeois class relations. In the Principles of Communism Engels describes them as "so-called socialists" who only seek to remove the evils inherent in capitalist society while maintaining the existing society often relying on methods such as welfare systems and grandiose claims of social reform.  Opinions vary as to whether if bourgeois socialist is actively protecting or intentionally excusing the current order, but the common thread is that they are in objective fact preserving it. Rather than abolishing class divisions, they wish to simply raise everyone up to be a member of the bourgeoisie to allow everyone the ability to endlessly accumulate capital without a working class. In The Communist Manifesto, Marx and Engels use philanthropists, monks ("temperance fanatics") and reformers as examples of this type of socialist that they saw as opposed to their own aims. In expressing its views on the subject, Marx explicitly referenced Pierre-Joseph Proudhon's The Philosophy of Poverty, stating the following about bourgeois socialism:

The Socialistic bourgeois want all the advantages of modern social conditions without the struggles and dangers necessarily resulting therefrom.

Bourgeois socialists are considered as working for the enemies of communists by preserving the society that communists seek to overthrow thus Engels claims that communists must continuously struggle against them.

Utopianism (Thomas More)

"Main Article: Communalism"

WIP

Proudhonism

"Main Article: Mutualism"

WIP

Fourierism

WIP

Tenets

Non-Marxist Socialism usually does not analyse any ways of getting to her goals, or achieving them. Instead, she imagines her idea of a perfect society, usually based on some sense of morality or justice.

Personality

Acts like a hippie. Loves the Beatles, especially John Lennon. Very peaceful and hates conflict.

How to Draw

Flag of Non-Marxist Socialism
  1. Draw a ball
  2. Color it red
  3. Draw a yellow circle in the centre
  4. Slightly off the circumference of the circle, draw 8 yellow wide triangles pointing outward, making the rays of a sun
  5. Add the eyes and you're done!
Color Name HEX RGB
Red #ED1F29 237, 31, 41
Yellow #FFF200 255, 242, 0


Relationships

Friends

Frenemies

  • Yellow Socialism - Compromising with capitalists is great and all but do you have to be so reactionary?
  • Anarcho-Individualism - You are my son thought Proudhon but you are really selfish.
  • Monarcho-Socialism - You are technically a form of me but I would rather a republic.
  • Classical Liberalism - I love your liberty but could you maybe free the working man as you free the serf?
  • Reactionary Socialism - Compromising with the nobility is great but that's a bit much.
  • Moderatism - Compromise is good, but why are you so pro-status quo??

Enemies

  • Capitalism - Maybe you can just... like, go away?
  • Fascism - You know, you're kind of mean, and I don't like that.
  • Nazism - YOU ARE NOT EVEN A SOCIALIST!!
  • Marxism - A materialist idiot who tried to discredit me by creating "Scientific Socialism". Also your way of revolution is just violent and impossible!
  • Left Communism - Ultra Marxist
  • Scientocracy - Ruined socialism. But Saint-Simon was an intellectual
  • Neoconservatism - Please stop being mean to people for being socialist? Pretty Please?

Further Information

Literature

Wikipedia

Notes

  1. William Godwin was an early Socialist and a Proto-Communist, with his thought largely influenced by Socialism writings of Robert Owen and Charles Fourier.

References


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