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|greatest_achievement = Being mentioned once[https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/news/5152-for-a-neo-leninism [1]] in a Versobooks blog <strike>(it wasn't even my ideology)</strike>
|greatest_achievement = Being mentioned once[https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/news/5152-for-a-neo-leninism [1]] in a Versobooks blog <strike>(it wasn't even my ideology)</strike>
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* [[File:Ormarxf.png]] '''{{colorlink|#c1272d|Marxism}}'''
* [[File:Ormarxf.png]] '''{{colorlink|#c1272d|Marxism}}'''
** [[File:Luxembourg.png]] '''{{colorlink|#ed1c24|Classical Social Democracy#Luxemburgist Left|Luxemburgism}}'''
** [[File:ItalianLeftCom.png]] '''{{colorlink|#8A1E1E|Italian Left Communism|Internationalist Communism}}'''
** [[File:Orthlen.png]] '''{{colorlink|#cc0000|Leninism}}'''
** [[File:Orthlen.png]] '''{{colorlink|#cc0000|Leninism}}'''
*** [[File:MLM.png]] '''{{colorlink|#ed020f|Marxism-Leninism-Maoism|Maoism}}'''
** [[File:Councom.png]] '''{{Colorlink|#d40100|Council Communism}}'''
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'''Neo-Leninism''' is an [[File:Soc-h.png]] economically far-left, [[File:Prgess.png]] culturally left ideology based on the ideological interpretations of Marxism by [[File:Lenin.png]] Vladimir Lenin known as [[File:Orthlen.png]] '''{{colorlink|#cc0000|Leninism}}''' . It takes significant ideological influences from '''{{colorlink|#ed1c24|Classical Social Democracy#Luxemburgist Left|Luxemburgism}}''' and minor ideological influences from [[File:MLM.png]] '''{{colorlink|#ed020f|Marxism-Leninism-Maoism|Maoism}}'''.
This is what happens when you combine [[File:Councom.png]] '''{{Colorlink|#d40100|Council Communism}}''', '''{{Colorlink|#8a1e1e|Italian Left Communism|Internationalist Communism}}''' and [[File:Marxego.png]] '''{{Color|#008080|Marxian Egoism}}'''.


For the most part, it is literally just [[File:Orthlen.png]] Leninism, with few minor tweaks to select parts of the ideology to update the ideology to the modern day.  
Communism, as both an ideology that is proposed and a state of affairs to transcend capitalism and the present state of affairs, is inherently an egoist and individualist ideology. Its goals and actions are to create a society in which the individual is capable of developing himself as he pleases and acting in his own self-interest. Communism is inherently egoistic; it already believes in the preservation of individuality to the point of destroying that which corrupts individuality: the family, culture, the state, classes, etc., nor is egoism solely and purely self-serving. Just as egoism benefits the self, the proletariat and one acting in their own self interest too benefits society and others as a whole.
That is literally it. I am a Leninist with a few agreements with Maoism about stuff like the Cultural Revolution and PPW and whatever, and I hate Stalinism/Marxism-Leninism. That's it.  
 
The communists reject the idea that Man is an island, when as a matter of fact Man is just as much a social creature as He is egoist. Just as Men are individuals, so too are individuals Men. Our goal is to transcend the notation that man exists only as a selfless or selfish creature.
== Summarized Beliefs ==
== Summarized Beliefs ==
=== [[File:Orthlen.png]] Government [[File:Erga.png]] ===
=== [[File:Councom.png]] Government [[File:Erga.png]] ===
Dictatorship of the Proletariat. This is obvious. This government should be composed of Soviets- workers' and peasants' councils which start all the way from the workplace to the national level. Preferably the government should be bottom-up; that is decision-making from the base of this 'Union of Soviets' should start at the local level and work its way nationally rather than the other way around.
council communism. council/soviet democracy. elected representatives who's mandate can be revoked at any time.
I would also propose that although it is necessary to create a national 'Supreme Soviet' that it should not serve as an actual governmental organism in its own right, but rather as a way to ease decision-making between the different Soviets.


=== [[File:WPD.png]] Economics [[File:Orthlen.png]] ===
=== [[File:WPD.png]] Economics [[File:Councom.png]] ===
Workplace democracy. Soviets. Decentralized planned economy. The workers themselves in each factory will decide their quotas, their metrics, their outputs. Safeguards will have to be put in place, and this system comes with the risk of sabotage, but I have faith in the honesty and integrity of a people who have finally broken their chains.
bottom up system, not top-down. not decentralized though- very much centralized. councils decide in collaboration with one another their economic 'plans' (for lack of a better word) until it finally reaches the top. economic planning should be as close to the local governments as possible.  
=== [[File:ProlIntern.png]] Diplomacy [[File:Socialist Patriotism.png]] ===
=== [[File:ProlIntern.png]] Diplomacy [[File:ProlIntern.png]] ===
I don't like [[File:Socialist Patriotism.png]], but I see it as somewhat of an important tool. Said 'socialist patriotism', of course, cannot be based in ethnic or even civic lines, but only in the lines of the proletariat.<br>
giga proletarian annihilation of classes, nations, and countries
At the same time we must understand that the lines between patriotism and nationalism are blurred, and thus I caution against it. This is why I refer to myself as a Proletarian Internationalist and believe in a world revolution; because communism may only succeed on a global (if not continental) scale.
=== [[File:Ecosoc.png]] Technology & Nature [[File:Cybercom.png]] ===
=== [[File:Ecosoc.png]] Technology & Nature [[File:Cybercom.png]] ===
Who says you can't combine ecologism with computers and science?
cybercommunism is the natural conclusion of marxism with our current level of development. at the same time i don't want the earth to turn into a technological shithole where everything is concrete and whatever. so a little bit of ecological socialism mixed in there too.
=== [[File:Socialist Patriotism.png]] Culture [[File:Progcom.png]] [[File:RedGuard.png]] ===
=== [[File:Progcom.png]] Culture [[File:Ormarxf.png]] ===
Stalin and Mao were correct in their assessments that even after a proletarian revolution and even after the supposed purging of these elements that the bourgeois classes still remain influential in society... which is why it is necessary to purge their influences (and them) through a revolution of culture itself; the breaking of a bourgeois culture focused on profit and hedonism and a construction of the culture of the proletariat. Everything in this current world must be swept away; culture is no exception to this.
standard communism shit. blah blah.


== you will read theory, inshallah ==
== you will read theory, inshallah ==
=== basics ===
* [[File:Impossible.png|link=Impossibilism]] - Reformism is ultimately more harmful than beneficial to the proletarian movement as it strengthens capitalism rather than weakening it.<br>
Electoralism subjugates the proletarian and communist movement and makes it subservient to bourgeois interests, as the bourgeois state would not tolerate real communist movements advocating for actual revolutionary change (through revolution).<br>
Communist movements have historically performed better when not aligning themselves with other non-communist movements and when serving as extraparliamentary opposition.<br>
* [[File:ItalianLeftCom.png|link=Italian Left Communism]]/[[File:ProlIntern.png|link=Internationalism]] - Socialism and communism are a strictly global affair and cannot be achieved in one country. Socialist states on their own cannot survive without one another. The international communist movement cannot revolve around a singular movement, organisation, or state.
* [[File:Antiparty.png]] - The party cannot [[Wikipedia:Substitutionism|substitute]] the liberation of the working class for itself. The liberation of the working class is the job of the working class, not of a revolutionary vanguard.<br>
A communist republic should be non-partisan in nature and based on the principal of [[Wikipedia:Organic centralism|organic centralism]].
* [[File:Councom.png|link=Council Communism]] - Democratically elected soviets, or councils, are the best and purest form of proletarian self-governance.<br>
The Councils are the foundation of the self-governance of the proletariat.<br>The party is the political organisation by which the communist movement rallies proletarians to its side and builds up class consciousness.
* [[File:Luxembourg.png|link=Classical Social Democracy#Luxemburgist Centre]] Luxemburg and not [[File:Lenin.png]] was right on the national question.<br>
Self-determination on the basis of nationalism and nation states is anti-communist.<br>
Anti-colonialism and anti-imperialist movements are ultimately still petit-bourgeois movements rather than proletarian movements, even if they attempt to adopt socialist and communist rhetoric to attract sympathies.<br>
* [[File:Anticap.png]] - New democracy and or any other attempts to combine the Dictatorship of the Proletariat with other forms of class dictatorship are anti-communist and class collaborationism.<br>
The bourgeoisie and the petit-bourgeoisie should be disenfranchised and should not be given a say in the governing of society.
* Commodity production is, even when under proletarian control, still capitalist.
* The popular front and other forms of collaboration with the "progressive" bourgeoisie are anti-communist and harmful to the proletarian movement as it subjects the interests of the proletarian movement to other interests which are firmly against it.
* Stalin was a fucking retard.
== Relationships ==
== Relationships ==
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=== Parents ===
=== Parents ===
* [[File:Ormarxf.png]] '''{{colorlink|#c1272d|Marxism}}''' - Hi, dad.
* [[File:Ormarxf.png]] '''{{colorlink|#c1272d|Marxism}}''' - Hi, dad.
** [[File:Orthlen.png]] '''{{colorlink|#cc0000|Leninism}}''' - Hi, other dad.
** [[File:Orthlen.png]] '''{{colorlink|#cc0000|Leninism}}''' - You honestly don't influence me all that much, but you're an honorary parent.
** [[File:Luxem.png]] '''{{colorlink|#ed1c24|Classical Social Democracy#Luxemburgist Left|Luxemburgism}}''' - Hi, mom.
** [[File:Councom.png]] '''{{colorlink|#d40100|Council Communism}}''' - It took me way too long to realize that believing in a vanguard party who only educates the masses and also believing in council communism are not at all mutually exclusive. Councilism is literally the purest form of proletarian organization there is.
=== Family ===
=== Family ===
* [[File:Councom.png]] '''{{colorlink|#d40100|Council Communism}}''' - I do consider myself a council communist, though obviously quite a heterodox one. Councils can still be the basis of a socialist society while co-existing with a vanguard party; the two aren't incompatible as many of you so-believe.
* [[File:ItalianLeftCom.png]] '''{{colorlink|#8A1E1E|Italian Left Communism|Internationalist Communism}}''' - Mean book nerds, but I can't deny that you're champions of Marxism who have tried so desperately to defend it from the revisionism of Stalin and... others. ''*shivers*''
* [[File:ML.png]] '''{{colorlink|#c90101|Marxism-Leninism}}''' - You ''are'' revisionist, and I frankly only am related to you through the ideologies which spawned off of you, but I can't deny you have at least some ideological influence on me as a result.
** [[File:Mao.png]] '''{{colorlink|#df2408|Maoism|Mao Zedong Thought}}''' - I wouldn't classify myself ever as an adherent to MZT (or even Maoism), but I definitely find myself agreeing with you on a lot of things, such as the cultural revolution, protracted people's war, the mass line and the like.
*** [[File:MLM.png]] '''{{colorlink|#ed020f|Marxism-Leninism-Maoism|Maoism}}''' - See above.
* [[File:Socialist Patriotism.png]] '''{{Colorlink|#ed1d26|Left-Wing Nationalism|Socialist Patriotism}}''' - I approach you with caution. A people should hold genuine love for their land or their people, but history has shown that the line between patriotism and nationalism is often more blurred than expected.
* [[File:ProlIntern.png]] '''{{Colorlink|#cc0000|Internationalism|Proletarian Internationalism}}''' - What communist movement can claim to be truly communist if it focuses solely on itself? The workers of the world will break off their chains one day.
=== Friends ===
=== Friends ===
* [[File:Libmarx.png]] '''{{colorlink|#ff0000|Libertarian Socialism|Libertarian Marxism}}''' - You know what? You're alright. I'm quite the fan of a decentralized planned economy... but some of you are too close to Anarchism for comfort.  
* [[File:Libmarx.png]] '''{{colorlink|#ff0000|Libertarian Socialism|Libertarian Marxism}}''' - I mean- you're alright... there's nothing necessarily wrong with seeing Marxism from a more libertarian perspective. But like- come on. Some of you are way too close to anarchism for comfort.
* [[File:Luxem.png]] '''{{colorlink|#ed1c24|Classical Social Democracy#Luxemburgist Left|Luxemburgism}}''' - I do quite like you. You're alright. Just please stop calling Lenin a [[File:AnSynd.png]] [[Anarcho-Syndicalist]]... whatever ''that'' is supposed to imply.
* [[File:Trot.png]] '''{{Colorlink|#CC0000|Trotskyism}}''' - I like you. Would probably place in family if it wasn't for the fact that you're a massive supporter of party dictatorship... which is antithesis to my ideals.
=== Neutral ===
=== Neutral ===
* [[File:Kautsky.png]] '''{{colorlink|#e50000|Classical Social Democracy#Centre|Centrist Marxism}}''' - I wouldn't exactly classify you as one of my ideological influences, but I do agree with you that the construction of socialism requires a combination of both reformism and revolutionary activity. It's a shame how you turned out later, though.
* [[File:Kautsky.png]] '''{{colorlink|#e50000|Classical Social Democracy#Centre|Centrist Marxism}}''' - You're bad. Very bad. But somehow I can't place you in 'Lumpenproletariat'.
* [[File:Egocom.png]] '''{{colorlink|#008080|Ego-Communism}}''' - You're fine. I'm not opposed to your egoism; I believe that communism is as egoistic as it is selfless, but I do not approve of the anarchism whatsoever or the belief that communism is opposed to egoism when it as a matter of fact is among the most egoistic idea aside from most obviously egoism itself.
=== lumpenproletariat ===
=== lumpenproletariat ===
* [[File:Bernst.png]] '''{{colorlink|#e10600|Reformist Marxism|Bernsteinism}}''' - Probably worse than Lasalleanism in the damage it's done to the socialist and communist movement.
* [[File:ML.png]] '''{{colorlink|#c90101|Marxism-Leninism}}''' - Marxism-Leninism has been, without a doubt, the most damaging thing to the proletarian movement in ''all'' of its history. Even more than social democracy- even more than Bernstein... just straight up worse than socdems.
** [[File:Socdem.png]] '''{{colorlink|#cc0000|Social Democracy}}''' - Abandoned historical and dialectical materialism in favor of sucking up to capitalism and trying to 'fix it', as if though it isn't functioning as intended.
** [[File:Stalin.png]] '''{{colorlink|#CA0000|Stalinism}}''' - do not tell stalinists who scream about revisionism and anti-reformism that stalin was a reformist who forced communist movements to collaborate with liberals (fascists), authored programs for communist parties like the communist party of great britain which explicitly denounced revolutionary activity in favor of reformism, denied proletarian revolution in france because he thought "we would win by elections" and also that he scrapped an entire ready-to-go communist cabinet for austria in favor of a would-be nazi collaborator socdem who got his ass rejected by the nazis because he was a socdem
** [[File:Demsocstar.png]] '''{{colorlink|#d60f18|Democratic Socialism}}''' - Not as guilty of appalling revisionism as [[File:Succdem.png]] Succdem and Bernstein up here, but most of you are still pretty revisionist... and most of you have no idea what 'socialism' or 'Marxism' even means.
*** [[File:Mao.png]] '''{{colorlink|#df2408|Maoism|Mao Zedong Thought}}''' - Maoism is Anti-Communism. You do not have any bright ideas. Now fuck off.
* [[File:Marketsoc.png]] '''{{colorlink|#e60000|Market Socialism}}''' - Pretty misguided.
**** [[File:MLM.png]] '''{{colorlink|#ed020f|Marxism-Leninism-Maoism|Maoism}}''' - Adventurist dumbassery. See above.
* [[File:Ancomcuck.png]] '''{{colorlink|#ff0000|Anarcho-Communism}}''' (and [[File:Anar1.png]] Anarchism in general) - Egoists who mask as socialists. Often don't engage the world materially. Barely any better than reformists.
* [[File:Bernst.png]] '''{{colorlink|#e10600|Reformist Marxism|Bernsteinism}}''' - I take my comment back. You still suck. You are still absolutely ''horrible'', but I don't think you fucked up as badly as ^ he did.
* [[File:Libtard.png]] '''{{colorlink|#006AA7|Liberalism}}''' - I wouldn't have a problem with most of you. The problem is that almost every liberal I have interacted with has expressed the most dogshit, out of pocket, fascistic views ever known to mankind. Please stop.
** [[File:Succdem.png]] '''{{colorlink|#cc0000|Social Democracy}}''' - Abandoned historical and dialectical materialism in favor of sucking up to capitalism and trying to 'fix it', as if though it isn't functioning as intended.
** [[File:Demsucc.png]] '''{{colorlink|#d60f18|Democratic Socialism}}''' - Not as guilty of appalling revisionism as [[File:Succdem.png]] Succdem and Bernstein up here, but most of you are still pretty revisionist... and most of you have no idea what 'socialism' or 'Marxism' even means.
* [[File:Marketsoc.png]] '''{{colorlink|#e60000|Market Socialism}}''' - We should, as a matter of fact, not continue the same economic principles that capitalism operates under.
* [[File:AncomCuck.png]] '''{{colorlink|#ff0000|Anarcho-Communism}}''' (and [[File:Anar1.png]] Anarchism in general) - "We did it Patrick, we abolished the state!"; while economic classes continue to exist and the state either operates as a dictatorship of the peasantry, petit-bourgeoisie or proletariat.
* [[File:Libtard.png]] '''{{colorlink|#006AA7|Liberalism}}''' - Be quiet.
** [[File:LibtardSoc.png]] '''{{colorlink|#D00505|Liberal Socialism}}''' - Marx is crying from his grave.
** [[File:LibtardSoc.png]] '''{{colorlink|#D00505|Liberal Socialism}}''' - Marx is crying from his grave.
* [[File:Communization.png]] '''{{colorlink|#f80000|Communization Theory|Comm}}{{colorlink|#008080|Communization Theory|unization}} {{colorlink|#007f00|Communization Theory|Theory}}''' - Behold, the best of the petit-bourgeois shitstorms to have came out of the '68 protests. Not necessarily harmful, but utopian in its thinking.<br>
"Communization of social relations" are, as a matter of fact, only capable of being done by a dictatorship of the proletariat, as all other classes are by principal opposed to such a thing. We wish to not utilize the dictatorship of the proletariat... yet by the very nature of communism it is such a proletarian thing that it is only possible through absolute control of the proletariat that communism can arise out of.
"The proletariat is a class that is marked by their own oppress-" Wamp wamp.
: [[File:AnCommunization.png]] '''{{colorlink|#f80000|Communization Theory|Anarcho-}}{{colorlink|#008080|Communization Theory|Communization}} {{colorlink|#141414|Communization Theory|Theory}}''' - Jesus Christ. At least the first one had redeeming qualities; this one is just retarded.
* [[File:Auton.png]] '''{{Colorlink|#ff0000|Autonomism}}''' - Why is it that those who self-proclaim themselves to be the 'purest communists' or whatever are the most anti-Marxist in their nature? Anti-Organizationalism is retarded.
=== the big bads ===
=== the big bads ===
You already know what this section would be referring to, so rather than providing commentary which has been given time and time again, have a list of icons instead. <br>
You already know what this section would be referring to, so rather than providing commentary which has been given time and time again, have a list of icons instead. <br>
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=== [[File:Mega Yes.png]] lenin spider detected [[File:Mega Yes.png]] ===
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* [[File:Psychlib.png]] '''{{colorlink|#ce2d2d|Acid Gramscianism|bogdanov}}''' - Welcome back, Comrade Bogdanov. (your proletarian god-building shit is stupid but my larp side says PROLETARIAN GOD BUILDING RIGHT FUCKING NOW)
* [[File:Shellshock.png]] '''{{Colorlink|#a11515|Shellshocked Communism}}''' - You have too little information on your page for me to gouge exactly what you're supposed to be, but from what I have read you seem to be a very well-informed and read Marxist, which I respect.
=== [[File:Kinda Yes.png]] mao spider detected [[File:Kinda Yes.png]] ===
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[[File:Kautsky.png]] '''{{Colorlink|#E50000|Great British New Left|British Kautskyism}}''' - You should actually be in Bernstein spider detected, it's just that I can't pass off on the opportunity.<br>
Reformism is bad and does more harm than good to the proletarian movement as it forces compromise through the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.<br>
Private property (which you imply will continue to exist) is anti-proletarian, anti-socialist and above all just straight up against the basics of Marxist philosophy.<br>
Your ideology is glorified social democracy/democratic socialism, which I have already explained (and many others have as well) is absolute dogshit and goes against the proletarian movement rather than supports it.
=== [[File:Kinda No.png]] stalin spider detected [[File:Kinda No.png]] ===
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* [[File:Hoodism.png]] '''{{colorlink|#C9261F|Hoodism|Dick's Sea Socialist}}''' - You're not ''that'' bad. I've seen way worse on this wiki... I should know. But like, man, come on. You were ''so'' close. You had an understanding of the need to sweep the slate clean and create a new culture, you understood that only on a global scale can communism be achieved... Then you went off and became an egoist?
* [[File:Hoodism.png]] '''{{colorlink|#851717|Venatrixism|stop moving your ideology around}}''' - Lumpenproletariat brainrot. I don't give a shit much that you're an egoist anymore, but everything else is moronic. Communization theory is a farce. You want and wish for anti-democracy and anti-organizationalism, yet you in practice still support organizationalism and organization... of course not touching on the fact that seriously believing that the proletariat is capable of freeing itself and later abolishing itself on an individual, divided and unorganized level is a stupid, utopian ideal which should have died with the utopian socialists. Nomadology is incompatible with materialism. Insurrection is adventurism and does not contribute anything productive to the liberation of the proletariat.  
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How many times I gotta say it. Just because it sounds cool doesn't mean it is. It's revisionist. Communism is incompatible with Egoism. You get 2 points off for that. Another point off for being obsesssed with Dixie or whatever. 7/10.
**{{merid}} how is Egoist Communist, Revisionist and Incompatible. Engels literally said this once "We are communists out of egoism also, and it is out of egoism that we wish to be human beings, not mere individuals."<ref>https://marxists.info/archive/marx/works/1844/letters/44_11_19.htm</ref>
*** This is a misunderstanding of what Engels is referring to here. If we must understand the actual context of the quote, we must do a lot further reading.<br>


... This egoism is simply the essence of present society and present man brought to consciousness, the ultimate that can be said against us by present society, the culmination of all the theory intrinsic to the prevailing stupidity. But that's precisely what makes the thing important, more important than Hess, for one, holds it to be. We must not simply cast it aside, but rather use it as the perfect expression of present-day folly and, while inverting it, continue to build on it. This egoism is taken to such a pitch, it is so absurd and at the same time so self-aware, that it cannot maintain itself even for an instant in its one-sidedness, but must immediately change into communism. In the first place it's a simple matter to prove to Stirner that his egoistic man is bound to become communist out of sheer egoism.<br>
* [[File:Rock_icn.png]] '''{{colorlink|#c60c31|Rocksism|rock and roll anarchism}}''' - I am adding you here, along with the two other people that requested to be added, for the purposes of finishing up loose ends before leaving here. I do not care about this website and I never asked to be unblocked, but I care about not leaving work unfinished if I am able to help it.
... But we must also adopt such truth as there is in the principle. And it is certainly true that we must first make a cause our own, egoistic cause, before we can do anything to further it – and hence that in this sense, irrespective of any eventual material aspirations, we are communists out of egoism also, and it is out of egoism that we wish to be human beings, not mere individuals. Or to put it another way. Stirner is right in rejecting Feuerbach's ‘man’, or at least the ‘man’ of Das Wesen des Christentums. [13] Feuerbach deduces his ‘man’ from God, it is from God that he arrives at ‘man’, and hence ‘man’ is crowned with a theological halo of abstraction. The true way to arrive at ‘man’ is the other way about. We must take our departure from the Ego, the empirical, flesh-and-blood individual, if we are not, like Stirner, to remain stuck at this point but rather proceed to raise ourselves to ‘man’. ‘man’ will always remain a wraith so long as his basis is not empirical man.
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This passage is very much often seen as proof that Engels or even Marx subscribed to the idea that communism is Egoistic; or that it is even compatible with such the ideology. Yet doing the slightest bit of further reading proves the exact opposite. Engels states directly that rather than embracing the Ego that we must 'depart' from it; to discard it in favor of 'man'; empirical man. This is further backed by his previous statement in which he states that it is out of egoism which [sic] "we wish to be ''human beings'', not mere individuals". In other words, Engels here is advocating for evolving past the idea of the individual; as lone organism which acts purely of his own ego, and towards the idea of human beings; the empirical man, humanity as a whole.<br>
The term 'egoism' in this context does not refer to the Egoism of Stirner but simply the act of self-interest. It is, indeed, in Engel's self-interest (and thus out of egoism) that he is a communist and that he wishes to be a human being rather than a simple 'individual'. Those who unironically believe in what they believe in believe in it as such because it will one way or another benefit their self-interest. The important thing to note here is that Engels states that this is not the reason why he is a communist. He states that this is irrespective of material aspirations; of the basis for a communist society.<br>
We again cannot ignore the fact that throughout this entire article, Engels is shitting on Stirner's concept of the ego; pointing out its contradictions and absurdities. He points out that the idea that man is selfish and driven only by Ego is stupid and instead points out that 'the human heart is of itself, from the very outset, unselfish and self-sacrificing'. This is what he is referring to by 'one-sidedness'; the one-sidedness of Egoism which believes there to only be the Ego and nothing else.<br>
Engels seeks to use the idea of egoism to prove a point; that it doesn't work, that under its own absurdities and contradictions that its adherents are more likely to turn to communism, a decidedly anti-egoist (or perhaps post-egoist) than to continue as an egoist. He advocates not for an embracement of the ego or of egoism to reinforce it, but rather to destroy it; to destroy the idea of the individual in favor of the empirical Man, not separate from society, not disconnected from its goals, but united with it while still maintaining his own goals. It is in the self-interest of the Ego to destroy itself. That is the point he is making.<br>
Even if we were to make the rather stretchable conclusion that Engels is not denouncing egoism but instead supporting it, he is certainly not advocating for the nihilistic, purely individualistic and immaterial worldview of Stirner. We therefore can make the conclusion that no, communism is not compatible with egoism. Rather, the conclusion to be made is that out of egoism, the idea of the 'Ego' will abolish itself.
***{{merid}} - fair enough I have reverted back to being just a individualist marxist
*** Engels is literally advocating for the abolition of the individual in favor of the empirical 'man'. You have changed nothing.


You are a petty bourgeois anarchist. You should expect of me to say that. I do not care about you, but you are fine. You are tolerable. My opinions on insurrection have been outlined for the above user.


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* [[File:Neo-ABax.png]] '''{{colorlink|#008080|Neo-Anthony Bax Thought|Neo-Anbax}}''' - Seems to be confused. Claims to be an egoist and an individualist but also a collectivist. Claims to be an Egoist but is an authoritarian. Claims to be a nihilist but is also an optimist.<br>
I've said enough on Egoists for you to know how I feel about Egoists and the lot. Not much for me to say on that.
* [[File:Bax.png]] '''{{colorlink|#008080|Baxism|Neo-Neo-Baxism}}''' - What do I have to say about you? You're the exact same as before, you just cleaned up your article and supposedly removed a couple of its contradictions.<br>
* [[File:Bax.png]] '''{{colorlink|#008080|Baxism|Neo-Neo-Baxism}}''' - What do I have to say about you? You're the exact same as before, you just cleaned up your article and supposedly removed a couple of its contradictions.<br>
No more larping. Bad. *swats*. And Contrarianism doesn't mean 'be contradictory' it means 'you're opposed to ruling/prevailing political ideologies'.  
No more larping. Bad. *swats*. And Contrarianism doesn't mean 'be contradictory' it means 'you're opposed to ruling/prevailing political ideologies'.  
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[[File:Bbbbbbbbbbbbbb.png]] ([[File:Lois Griffin.png]]) '''{{Colorlink|#000628|Distributist ReactionaryLoisism}}''' - Average Brazillian.
Feudalism is incompatible with the distributism and corporatism you so wish to have. The guild system- particularly that of the corporatist guild system, originated out of the merchant class- later the bourgeois class, who were only capable of thriving once state power was taken. So long as state power is held by the feudal classes, your proposed economic system- which combines bourgeois economics with a feudalist and reactionary setup, makes no fucking sense.<br>
Indeed, how humorous it is when an explicitly capitalist and bourgeois market system is upheld whilst at the same time combining itself with reactionary feudalism, which together are so incompatible as to make one question exactly ''what'' it was you were thinking with this. Then there is also the fact that you wish for a corporatist system yet at the same time call for a free market capitalist system; two of which are absolutely incompatible with one another. If you're a syndicalist- then congratulations, because once again you've revealed more and ''more'' contradictions within your ideology.<br>
You want a regulated authoritarian welfare state but you want a free market corporatist democratic feudalist industrialist environmentalist carlist universal monarchy. OK buddy retard.
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Latest revision as of 04:58, 16 April 2024

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This is what happens when you combine Council Communism, Internationalist Communism and Marxian Egoism.

Communism, as both an ideology that is proposed and a state of affairs to transcend capitalism and the present state of affairs, is inherently an egoist and individualist ideology. Its goals and actions are to create a society in which the individual is capable of developing himself as he pleases and acting in his own self-interest. Communism is inherently egoistic; it already believes in the preservation of individuality to the point of destroying that which corrupts individuality: the family, culture, the state, classes, etc., nor is egoism solely and purely self-serving. Just as egoism benefits the self, the proletariat and one acting in their own self interest too benefits society and others as a whole.

The communists reject the idea that Man is an island, when as a matter of fact Man is just as much a social creature as He is egoist. Just as Men are individuals, so too are individuals Men. Our goal is to transcend the notation that man exists only as a selfless or selfish creature.

Summarized Beliefs

Government

council communism. council/soviet democracy. elected representatives who's mandate can be revoked at any time.

Economics

bottom up system, not top-down. not decentralized though- very much centralized. councils decide in collaboration with one another their economic 'plans' (for lack of a better word) until it finally reaches the top. economic planning should be as close to the local governments as possible.

Diplomacy

giga proletarian annihilation of classes, nations, and countries

Technology & Nature

cybercommunism is the natural conclusion of marxism with our current level of development. at the same time i don't want the earth to turn into a technological shithole where everything is concrete and whatever. so a little bit of ecological socialism mixed in there too.

Culture

standard communism shit. blah blah.

you will read theory, inshallah

basics

  • - Reformism is ultimately more harmful than beneficial to the proletarian movement as it strengthens capitalism rather than weakening it.

Electoralism subjugates the proletarian and communist movement and makes it subservient to bourgeois interests, as the bourgeois state would not tolerate real communist movements advocating for actual revolutionary change (through revolution).

Communist movements have historically performed better when not aligning themselves with other non-communist movements and when serving as extraparliamentary opposition.

  • / - Socialism and communism are a strictly global affair and cannot be achieved in one country. Socialist states on their own cannot survive without one another. The international communist movement cannot revolve around a singular movement, organisation, or state.
  • - The party cannot substitute the liberation of the working class for itself. The liberation of the working class is the job of the working class, not of a revolutionary vanguard.

A communist republic should be non-partisan in nature and based on the principal of organic centralism.

  • - Democratically elected soviets, or councils, are the best and purest form of proletarian self-governance.

The Councils are the foundation of the self-governance of the proletariat.
The party is the political organisation by which the communist movement rallies proletarians to its side and builds up class consciousness.

  • Luxemburg and not was right on the national question.

Self-determination on the basis of nationalism and nation states is anti-communist.
Anti-colonialism and anti-imperialist movements are ultimately still petit-bourgeois movements rather than proletarian movements, even if they attempt to adopt socialist and communist rhetoric to attract sympathies.

  • - New democracy and or any other attempts to combine the Dictatorship of the Proletariat with other forms of class dictatorship are anti-communist and class collaborationism.

The bourgeoisie and the petit-bourgeoisie should be disenfranchised and should not be given a say in the governing of society.

  • Commodity production is, even when under proletarian control, still capitalist.
  • The popular front and other forms of collaboration with the "progressive" bourgeoisie are anti-communist and harmful to the proletarian movement as it subjects the interests of the proletarian movement to other interests which are firmly against it.
  • Stalin was a fucking retard.

Relationships

Parents

  • Marxism - Hi, dad.
    • Leninism - You honestly don't influence me all that much, but you're an honorary parent.
    • Council Communism - It took me way too long to realize that believing in a vanguard party who only educates the masses and also believing in council communism are not at all mutually exclusive. Councilism is literally the purest form of proletarian organization there is.

Family

  • Internationalist Communism - Mean book nerds, but I can't deny that you're champions of Marxism who have tried so desperately to defend it from the revisionism of Stalin and... others. *shivers*

Friends

  • Libertarian Marxism - I mean- you're alright... there's nothing necessarily wrong with seeing Marxism from a more libertarian perspective. But like- come on. Some of you are way too close to anarchism for comfort.
  • Luxemburgism - I do quite like you. You're alright. Just please stop calling Lenin a Anarcho-Syndicalist... whatever that is supposed to imply.
  • Trotskyism - I like you. Would probably place in family if it wasn't for the fact that you're a massive supporter of party dictatorship... which is antithesis to my ideals.

Neutral

  • Centrist Marxism - You're bad. Very bad. But somehow I can't place you in 'Lumpenproletariat'.
  • Ego-Communism - You're fine. I'm not opposed to your egoism; I believe that communism is as egoistic as it is selfless, but I do not approve of the anarchism whatsoever or the belief that communism is opposed to egoism when it as a matter of fact is among the most egoistic idea aside from most obviously egoism itself.

lumpenproletariat

  • Marxism-Leninism - Marxism-Leninism has been, without a doubt, the most damaging thing to the proletarian movement in all of its history. Even more than social democracy- even more than Bernstein... just straight up worse than socdems.
    • Stalinism - do not tell stalinists who scream about revisionism and anti-reformism that stalin was a reformist who forced communist movements to collaborate with liberals (fascists), authored programs for communist parties like the communist party of great britain which explicitly denounced revolutionary activity in favor of reformism, denied proletarian revolution in france because he thought "we would win by elections" and also that he scrapped an entire ready-to-go communist cabinet for austria in favor of a would-be nazi collaborator socdem who got his ass rejected by the nazis because he was a socdem
      • Mao Zedong Thought - Maoism is Anti-Communism. You do not have any bright ideas. Now fuck off.
        • Maoism - Adventurist dumbassery. See above.
  • Bernsteinism - I take my comment back. You still suck. You are still absolutely horrible, but I don't think you fucked up as badly as ^ he did.
    • Social Democracy - Abandoned historical and dialectical materialism in favor of sucking up to capitalism and trying to 'fix it', as if though it isn't functioning as intended.
    • Democratic Socialism - Not as guilty of appalling revisionism as Succdem and Bernstein up here, but most of you are still pretty revisionist... and most of you have no idea what 'socialism' or 'Marxism' even means.
  • Market Socialism - We should, as a matter of fact, not continue the same economic principles that capitalism operates under.
  • Anarcho-Communism (and Anarchism in general) - "We did it Patrick, we abolished the state!"; while economic classes continue to exist and the state either operates as a dictatorship of the peasantry, petit-bourgeoisie or proletariat.
  • Liberalism - Be quiet.
  • Communization Theory - Behold, the best of the petit-bourgeois shitstorms to have came out of the '68 protests. Not necessarily harmful, but utopian in its thinking.

"Communization of social relations" are, as a matter of fact, only capable of being done by a dictatorship of the proletariat, as all other classes are by principal opposed to such a thing. We wish to not utilize the dictatorship of the proletariat... yet by the very nature of communism it is such a proletarian thing that it is only possible through absolute control of the proletariat that communism can arise out of.

"The proletariat is a class that is marked by their own oppress-" Wamp wamp.

Anarcho-Communization Theory - Jesus Christ. At least the first one had redeeming qualities; this one is just retarded.
  • Autonomism - Why is it that those who self-proclaim themselves to be the 'purest communists' or whatever are the most anti-Marxist in their nature? Anti-Organizationalism is retarded.

the big bads

You already know what this section would be referring to, so rather than providing commentary which has been given time and time again, have a list of icons instead.



If I add you here by myself, it usually means I have a lot to say about you.

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  • bogdanov - Welcome back, Comrade Bogdanov. (your proletarian god-building shit is stupid but my larp side says PROLETARIAN GOD BUILDING RIGHT FUCKING NOW)
  • Shellshocked Communism - You have too little information on your page for me to gouge exactly what you're supposed to be, but from what I have read you seem to be a very well-informed and read Marxist, which I respect.

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British Kautskyism - You should actually be in Bernstein spider detected, it's just that I can't pass off on the opportunity.
Reformism is bad and does more harm than good to the proletarian movement as it forces compromise through the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.
Private property (which you imply will continue to exist) is anti-proletarian, anti-socialist and above all just straight up against the basics of Marxist philosophy.
Your ideology is glorified social democracy/democratic socialism, which I have already explained (and many others have as well) is absolute dogshit and goes against the proletarian movement rather than supports it.

stalin spider detected

  • stop moving your ideology around - Lumpenproletariat brainrot. I don't give a shit much that you're an egoist anymore, but everything else is moronic. Communization theory is a farce. You want and wish for anti-democracy and anti-organizationalism, yet you in practice still support organizationalism and organization... of course not touching on the fact that seriously believing that the proletariat is capable of freeing itself and later abolishing itself on an individual, divided and unorganized level is a stupid, utopian ideal which should have died with the utopian socialists. Nomadology is incompatible with materialism. Insurrection is adventurism and does not contribute anything productive to the liberation of the proletariat.
  • rock and roll anarchism - I am adding you here, along with the two other people that requested to be added, for the purposes of finishing up loose ends before leaving here. I do not care about this website and I never asked to be unblocked, but I care about not leaving work unfinished if I am able to help it.

You are a petty bourgeois anarchist. You should expect of me to say that. I do not care about you, but you are fine. You are tolerable. My opinions on insurrection have been outlined for the above user.

bernstein spider detected

  • Neo-Neo-Baxism - What do I have to say about you? You're the exact same as before, you just cleaned up your article and supposedly removed a couple of its contradictions.

No more larping. Bad. *swats*. And Contrarianism doesn't mean 'be contradictory' it means 'you're opposed to ruling/prevailing political ideologies'.

goebbels spider detected

  • brazil - Brazillian. Instantly sent to the 6th circle of hell.

larpers

() Distributist ReactionaryLoisism - Average Brazillian.

Feudalism is incompatible with the distributism and corporatism you so wish to have. The guild system- particularly that of the corporatist guild system, originated out of the merchant class- later the bourgeois class, who were only capable of thriving once state power was taken. So long as state power is held by the feudal classes, your proposed economic system- which combines bourgeois economics with a feudalist and reactionary setup, makes no fucking sense.

Indeed, how humorous it is when an explicitly capitalist and bourgeois market system is upheld whilst at the same time combining itself with reactionary feudalism, which together are so incompatible as to make one question exactly what it was you were thinking with this. Then there is also the fact that you wish for a corporatist system yet at the same time call for a free market capitalist system; two of which are absolutely incompatible with one another. If you're a syndicalist- then congratulations, because once again you've revealed more and more contradictions within your ideology.

You want a regulated authoritarian welfare state but you want a free market corporatist democratic feudalist industrialist environmentalist carlist universal monarchy. OK buddy retard.